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[Successful Journey] Scaling Amazon Affiliate from $1000/m to $10k

Discussion in 'My Journey Discussions' started by Bloooop, Sep 29, 2019.

  1. splishsplash

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    Because that would be business suicide. Those sites make millions of dollars a year. They have super successful and growing companies.

    It's like me on the wolf network. I would never touch my clients niches. No matter how juicy they are. My core business is FAR too important. Why risk the integrity of my business for a few side bucks? Why risk a million dollar business just to get a new niche site making a few k a month. Doesn't make sense.


    And that aside..

    The above method is EXACTLY how I find and rank Amazon review sites. I hunt out weak sites with high traffic/high keywords, then I replicate every page with traffic > 300 per month. I scower niches for these sites. They are sitting ducks. The OP should DEFINITELY sell.
     
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    Well, I guess you havent found my 10+ profitable "weak" amazon associate sites yet, have ya mate? :cool: not all of them make a ton of money but still.

    I dont think you should sell ur business just because ure scared someone will copy u. thats dumb, ops business is still young and has a ton of growth potential and passive income he can squeeze out of.

    Plus he'll take a way lower price now because ppl will tell him the business is still new and not stable so why not wait a minute, collect more passive income and then sell at the peak?
     
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  3. Ebaydotmax

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    I dont think some of the people saying OP should not sell have been hit hard with Google Update. I had a site that was trending upwards in both revenue and traffic like OP. I even got into Google Discover. But a few weeks to sell and....BOOM...Google hammer. I couldnt even sell it for a good sum.

    If Im OP, Ill definitely sell the site, given that he spent low and could reap great..RIGHT NOW.

    Anyone who have heard this phrase before "If you make $100, you can make $1000" will understand. OP has the fundamentals locked down. There is nothing stopping him from starting another site and getting it up to this level and even better since he now has a fat wad of cash as opposed to now.
     
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    in my case, fe international and escrow.com, money sent to payoneer, no issues of any kind.

    but, before sellig this site, why not start similar site? you have to sign NDA and NCA agreement, so starting similar, low priority site is imho a good idea... just my 2c...
     
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  5. splishsplash

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    A way lower price? :) I don't think you realize how much clean amazon review sites sell for.

    Try up to 40x monthly rev.

    Even ones with pbns sell for 33-35x.

    A $5k/mo clean amazon review site with growth potential will sell for $200k.

    Don't know about you, but I'd rather take $200k and start 4 new sites, each with $25k invested, grow those and sell all 4 for $200k.

    This is simple maths.

    Guaranteed $200k now.

    vs

    $10k/mo in another 4-6 months, maybe $15k/mo in 6 months, WITH, a ton more spent on content alone. Even if he gets it to $15k/mo, it'll still take another year to make $200k, and there's a LOT of risk involved. Google updates, Amazon updates, competitors..

    Someone sitting with $1mil who buys a site for $200k is better equipped to deal with that risk. They buy a $5k/mo site for $200k, pump another $50k into it and grow it to $30k-$40k/mo and make their money back in 7-8 months. Something goes wrong after 3-4 months and they maybe end up with a net loss of $50k-$120k. 5 different sites, and maybe 1 will fail, 1 will be a huge success and the other 3 will make a double ROI.

    But if your ONLY site is doing $5k/mo and you don't have much cash in reserve. My god, you would be crazy not to sell.

    You make MORE money in a shorter time by selling.

    With that $200k you can have a new site up to $5k/mo at the very least within 6 months with only $20k spent. $5k aged domain and $15k on content and you've got yourself a $5k/mo site in 6 months and a spare $150k($30k went on the broker fee). Now in 6 months you're $150k up with an even stronger site that will grow faster doing $5k/mo. And what do you do? Grow it another 3-4 months then sell it and repeat. But to be honest, it's lucky most people don't do this otherwise there would be too many sites for sale and not enough buyers. So, don't do this folks. Don't sell. Keep your site, it's better :)
     
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    The OP has already decided he's selling the site if the price was right. Let us respect that and move on from that. For me, I'm excited to see him start some new sites from scratch and learn from him.
     
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  7. Bloooop

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    Update

    Happy New Year Guys!

    It's almost the start of another decade and time to completely change your life. I know I've set myself up for a massive change next year and I'm very excited to move forward. But for now this is just another quick update. The big one is coming tomorrow as soon as I compile all my thoughts after sleeping haha.

    I got a follow up from Empire Flippers to fill out the P&L and some little info about the site. So we're making progress.

    Earnings for Yesterday:

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    I agree.

    But I'd rather take the calculated risk at this point. If I'm not given a satisfactory amount then this is the route I'll go.

    No. Unless you find a super easy keyword with 5k monthly visits it might be worth it or if you'll have tonnes of other articles.

    This is the exact reason I'm selling. Having a large budget to pump into a new site every month next year is something big to me. And 1000 or 2000 a month to invest just won't cut it.

    Well said, why I'm selling and what I'll be doing after selling is all here. I've seen the downsides of the way I built this site. And the only way to fix it is to have a couple thousand to really invest. SEO is a money game, yes you can make it to my levels with next to no money.

    But if you really want to get big you'll need cash and lots of it. When you consider that to purchase 5 good links can run you up to $1500 and you only make $2500 a month or 5k you realize how badly you need more money. Money makes more money and that's the reality. But you can start with nothing and make it a good living from nothing.

    Sadly my goal isn't to just make money but to make enough to financially retire atleast mentally in 8 years time. Starting tomorrow I'll only have 7 years left so I need to do this as fast as possible and selling is the least risky and calculated path to my goal.
     
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  8. BufferOver

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    Congrats on your success, you are on right path to make you dream in 8 years. Quite good progress for a year.
     
  9. splishsplash

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    Yep exactly. It's definitely a money game. The cheapest way to rank are PBNs and even they are expensive these days. It's hard to get a good domain for under $300. If you are on the auctions daily then you can pick up some bargains for $150-$250, but generally any properly good domain will have eyes on it and go for $300-$420. The really good ones, especially if brandable can go for ridiculous amounts.

    You need to be able to drop $25k and not need to make that money back for 6 months. But fortunately it's a growing buyers market, so just keep building sites up to $1k to $5k/mo and sell them. The cleaner the better. Just a $2k aged domain and $8k of content per site is all you need and in 12 months you'll net between $20k and $200k, but it's hard to not make at least $20k after fees for a $10k investment. That would be for a site that's really been slow to grow due to a more competitive niche, but when you've got $140k-$170k after fees from your sale you can start 10 sites with that formula
     
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    Quite impressive !

    I have been following this journey for quite a while and you're really doing your best, and the goal is soon achieved ;)

    Well your journey have inspired me to start my own affiliate website, i have never done anything related to SEO before ( only done dropshipping, android apps and CPA ), so i have started looking for keywords/niche. I am still struggling to find a decent niche to go for and i wanted to have some advice about this part of the website creation, would you rather :
    • look for keywords easy to rank, and then base your site on the niche related to that keyword
    • look for a niche with a good product price range, then look for the easy keywords in that niche and rank for them then start going higher and higher in KD
    What i mean is, is it more important to find the magic keyword that would let you rank easy for a lot of traffic, or is it more important to work on a niche you like and start building your authority little by little and more importantly get started asap ?

    Keep up the good work and thanks for the inspiring journey mate !
     
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    Hello @splishsplash

    That's quite an interesting input and formula here. Could you elaborate a little on content?

    You mentionned 8k worth of content, but at what rate? Any rough figure in terms of words would be interesting to know. It would give us a better idea of what it takes to rebuild a site from previously sold ones.
     
  12. splishsplash

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    $2 to $3 per 100.

    $2/100 will give you 400k, which is excellent. $3 will give you 266k which is still very good.

    $2 is do-able for a native if you look around.
    $2.5 you'll easily get someone.
    $3 is more what you'll pay if you hire an actual writer rather than looking for regular people to write. There are plenty of people who can write that need money and don't have a job.

    In general, the bare minimum for an amazon review site is 100k words. That's entry-level. Considering you really need 2.5k to 3k word articles for your typical lower comp topic. 3k-5k for more competitive topics. 100k is only about 30-35 articles. That's not really enough by its self if you're relying on content without links(On an aged domain of course). If you're only going for 100k words you need to pump some money into more links on top of the aged domain.

    266k gives you about 90 articles. That's really the point where you're going to have a real site on your hands.

    Remember you need topical authority. You won't succeed having a jack of all trades reviewsite.com anymore. I just looked up one that I remember being a monster in 2016-2017. https://bestreviews.com/.

    Look at it now.

    https://cl.ly/9420da9b6d0f

    I come to these conclusions basically based on what I see. I used to see a lot of broader review sites doing well. Tons of them. 2018+ I stopped seeing them. I've always gone for tight topics because I silo. Silo'd sites are even more powerful now. I've seen a few people say siloing is BS and they tried it and didn't see any results, but almost no one really understands how to do it. It's less to do with the tech, and more to do with the topics you pick, how they relate and how to actually build the articles so that article A doesn't compete with article B.

    I see a lot of mid-size tightly topic focused sites ranking well these days. Originally micro niche sites worked because google was keyword based, then we moved into the brand/authority era where big sites with a lot of content were the best, but now we're moving naturally into an era of macro-niche sites let's call them. Which makes sense, because for users they're the most interesting. What's more interesting, a mega games site, or a site about RTS games? Which one would you want to visit if you're a fan of the RTS genre.
     
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  13. Bloooop

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    End of Year Update

    It's a little late and I intended to write another update like I did in October.

    But somehow the way I felt changed. Mostly due to the change in my goals and success over the past year. My overall targets have shifted but I learned 5 key things that I'll quickly share.

    Back in 2017...

    I started my first journey after being fed up with the number of profits I made from doing dropshipping. I jumped into affiliate marketing and SEO fresh with the intent to make it to 5k a month.

    Fast forward exactly two years later and:

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    I made it.

    Now I don't know about you, but if I could do it.

    Why can't you?

    I don't know if this will motivate you into action or not. But If you can't take it from me that your dreams are possible, then nothing will help.

    So What did I learn in 2019?

    Last year brought me many lessons and things I can take and make this year far better than the previous one.

    The first and most important thing I learned is that "Yesterday's" matter... ALOT!

    If you can't look back on yesterday and feel like you've done everything in your power, then you failed. But thankfully, you have today to make up for it.

    The second thing I learned is diversification.

    Earlier in the year, I had a few pages that brought in 90% of the earnings and was heavily reliant on Google. I got burnt, and that page lost value as the item stopped selling, rankings fluctuated, and search traffic declined.

    So to counter that, I quickly added my site to other search engines and built more pages that ranked so I spread my traffic across multiple products and pages.

    This is also one of the main reasons I'm selling my site. So I can further split my earnings.

    The third thing I learned is High Ticket items to the win.

    High ticket items require little traffic to generate significant revenue, especially for amazon niche sites where the commission structure is low. However, I later learned that you need to pair high ticket items with popular items that are reasonably priced.

    The fourth thing I learned is that traffic matters most.

    It doesn't matter how you get it, but without traffic, everything else is pointless. So focus less on aesthetics and the minor details and spend most of your time figuring out how to get traffic.

    This is one of the things that led to me building this site and achieving my level of success.

    The fifth thing, treat it like a business.

    Although you might feel like its a hobby or you can do things however you like, you're wrong! Treating online marketing as a business is necessary to reach higher figures than 1k a month.

    If you aren't working as hard at it as you would if you have a boss, then you're wasting your time.

    With all that said, let's get to 10k+ with a few sites this year.

    *Will respond to anyone that's waiting on a response tomorrow.
     
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    I spent good amount of time today reading your journey.... and i am very moitvated. Thanks for taking your time to do this journey and report everything you did.

    You are a good person, wish you luck in everything u will do in future!
     
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    @Bloooop I can´t stress enough how grateful i am for you to make the decision to open this journey.

    It couldn´t possibly have come in a better moment for me.

    You´ve been a true inspiration for me to truly believe it´s not only possible but, also, i am capable of achieving similar rates of success.

    It´s been a while since i felt this good about starting a new year and what the near future holds for me.

    And you´re a big reason for this.

    I feel more confident than ever about myself and what i am capable of.

    So many things are on my mind that i want to express here but i don´t want to turn this into a tl,dr nor into a "cliche fest" type of post.

    Instead, i will limit myself by just saying from the bottom of my heart...
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    Your thread is the best journey I've read. You show the money you earn, didnot cover it $$$ and try to answer every question.

    Congratulation on the money you earn.

    But it's hard to believe you can get lots of money through one site without backlinks.
     
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    I basically agree with you about the siloing and I think that it works. However why some sites like 10beasts continue to grow and work? It seems like 10beasts for example is not focused on topic but in the 'old' and 'classical' model.
     
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    Best of luck with your journey.
     
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    @splishsplash, thanks sir for the value you have added to this jounery,you are one when he talks,we should listen carefully ,you said"but almost no one really understands how to do it. It's less to do with the tech, and more to do with the topics you pick, how they relate and how to actually build the articles so that article A doesn't compete with article B.
    I want you to recommend detailed guide to how to do that the right way
     
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    10beasts isn't actually particularly broad. It's all tech. Even the car/outdoor section is tech/cameras.

    Also, you've picked an outlier.

    Elon Musk is a billionaire. That doesn't mean the way he does it is the best way. It's a downright wacky way to build wealth. He's gotten lucky and it works for him.

    You can find almost anything working in SEO.

    It's the same in any field. You'll find weight lifters who look amazing that drink beer every weekend and eat mcdonalds. Doesn't mean that's the best path for achieving a body like theirs. Outliers.. :)

    10beasts has some very strong backlinks. And anyway, I wouldn't describe it as that successful. I wouldn't buy it. Look at the graph on ahrefs.

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    It's pretty shaky. It's growing a little recently because it looks like they've expanded it a little, but it's not a great site.
     
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