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Success is the Greatest Revenge... right?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by LaoTzu, Oct 6, 2009.

  1. LaoTzu

    LaoTzu Newbie

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    Okay, so I need someone to talk me into NOT taking revenge. Here's the story.

    I'm an American, came to Thailand in Jan 09 and wanted to make it just on Internet Marketing alone. That didn't work. After 2 months I looked for a job and a Video Production Company in Bangkok hired me as their Director of Marketing. Fancy title but the American owner has used and abused me since March 09 as his personal secretary, office manager, business manager, internet marketer, human resource manager, fucking camera crew, and anything else he needed.

    Basically, he has a Thai investor who pays all the expenses, boss pads his pockets by overcharging for all expenses, and runs the operation like it's his personal hobby - not like a business. There is no income for the company other than some ads3ns3 and amaz0n ass0ciate sales from the websites I set up for him. He just buys new equipment and takes trips around the world for electronic shows. He's in Japan right now.

    Anyways, so I'm used, abused, work for low salary (40k Thai baht), no work permit/visa (so I work illegal here), no benefits, no holidays, nada. He expects me to be available for him nights/weekends and doesn't pay overtime.

    So I finally got sick from it all - literally, I was in the hospital from stress. (that and my ex-Thai g/f but that is a whole other matter!). So I emailed him while he was in America on a trip and said I needed sick pay and we had to get my visa he promised me and a raise because of all the work I do. That I can't stay in this country on tourist visas any longer and I can't afford my medical bills on what he pays.

    So since I'm stepping out of line and giving him attitude as he says, he wants to fire me on Monday when he gets back from Tokyo because he is cheap and thinks I'm not working enough for him. (I read his email)

    I control all of his company websites, know he is cheating his investor, and know he has an office full of foreigners working illegally. But I believe (i think) that 'Success is the best revenge' and think that I'm more pissed off at myself for not making money online for myself and taking control of my life instead of going to work everyday for a jerk who treats me like shit and waiting until every Friday until I get paid. It's my fault I'm in this mess so I'm pissed - at both the boss and me.

    I started to offer freelance online and am putting together some AC and Twitter online projects. I have a lot of info (BHW is info-overload) but it's action that I'm bad at doing.

    Suggetions?
     
  2. BigHustlah

    BigHustlah Power Member

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    My suggestions:

    1) set up your own adsense and amazon affiliate accts; immediately swap out the links from the sites you control to drive revenue to your accts.

    2) Take lots of video and do not give it to him, instead put the videos on youtube and include links to your sites.

    3) Sell some of his equipment on ebay.

    4) Take a little of your money and invest in some exclusive proxies. Get a few decent CPA accts. Start posting on CL.

    5) When your boss gets back, kick him in the balls and fart on his pillow.

    Rinse and repeat.
     
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  3. LaoTzu

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    @BigHustlah

    Thanks. I'll do the Amaz0n right away. I'm too pissed to think creatively right now.

    Are you able to have two different ads3ns3 accounts on the same website/webpage? You can only have 3 ads per page so if I had 2 from my acc and 1 from his? Reason being is long term thinking. If it takes him a week to notice he lost all sales he'll have someone check into it. But if in a week he notice that the sales have just gone down then he'll know it is b.c I am not here but not suspect anything and I'll continue to make money for the life of the websites since no one would ever think to check the coding.

    Taking vid will take too much time. I'd rather invest in setting up online money makers than playing with his equipment.
     
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    make the adsense display his account for 50% and yours for 50% shouldn't be too hard.
     
  5. MrSmith

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    Do his business...You were literally doing FOR him, so why not do the same? You got the address book + knowledge. The question is; does he know how to do it?
     
  6. LaoTzu

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    His initial biz was a video production company. Which I thought about setting up but I would need the capital or an investor to get it started. After he got his investor he stopped doing the video production and just did random hobbies or interests. Building a Mac/PC hybrid, going to Paris to get certified as a 3D Stereographer, getting new demo units of technology and software to do reviews on, etc. etc. none of which I am interested in nor makes any money. If I had the start-up funds I would be able to have a great video production company - but I don't.

    Although doing something with sending random hookers to his house did come to mind. I know he has a girlfriend on the side (he is married with 3 kids) but I don't have any proof. I know he cheats his investor - but again, no proof.
     
  7. allfreetodo

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    the word here is take action, this is what got you in trouble in the first place

    take action like you never have done before
     
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  8. suave

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    I say move on sounds like a very toxic environment and you right you did put you self in that environment and you can take you self out. Instead of waisting all that time and energy trying to figure out how to get back at the guy, used it to get another job or find something 2 pay the bills.

    You really can't do much if you don't have evidence. that said there is a book call reven..ge 198 pages on how to get back at people with some of the most crazy stuff out there I don't recommended but is out there.

    Regards
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    Ps I am not a big believer in Karma and in my 40yrs of life I must say i've seen that what goes around comes around
     
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  9. LaoTzu

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    I believe my friend who emailed me gave me good advice like others here. I shouldn't spend my time planning revenge or anything of the sort. I should spend my evenings working online and freelance and do my job at work. If the boss brings this to me on Monday I can simply just leave.. but not before reminding him of all the information I was responsible for in the office and company and that my friends in the BlackHat Community recommend I just walk away from it all with a 2 months severance package paid upfront for my time and commitment. The boss is familiar with BlackHat to some extent. :D
     
  10. BlackHatSoda

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    I'm also an American who lives in Thailand so I can sympathize on how little 40k baht a month is if you're living in BKK. Sounds like you got a raw deal and I'm surprised you stuck around working with the guy so long.

    He sounds like a douche bag and while he certainly isn't undeserving of some payback, you're on the right track thinking that it's better to spend you're time working towards your own success.

    You did walk away with some good experience and knowledge I'm sure, plus you got stay in the greatest country on Earth :) I'd say loot as much info as you can and basically duplicate his business for yourself. If you do plan on staying/coming back to Thailand and the guy has proof that you were working here illegally, it's best not to go dishing out revenge as he could throw some back at you. You don't want to get picked up by Thai police and deported on the spot at your expense.

    On the other hand, if he was paying you in cash and there's no paper trail, just have a Thai friend make a call to Thai immigration, they'll throw the smack down on him fast. If I were you I'd certainly be tempted to let his investors know they are getting screwed but again, if he links it back to you and you do want to stay in Thailand, you have to make sure he doesn't cause problems for you here.

    Good luck
     
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    What kind of place are you staying in? I've been considering relocation myself and Thailand was a big contender. I've spent some time there before and was thinking of stopping by for a couple months. If you don't mind a career drinker who smokes a pack a day raging in front of the computer screen 48 hours a day (yea, MY days are twice as long as everyone elses) - Lets split the cost of living and make some fucking cash!
     
  12. LaoTzu

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    @BlackHatSoda he pays by bank transfer weekly. i don't want a run in with Thai police or immigration so turning him in to the Labor Dept isn't possible. I was going to let the investor know, but then again, he would be obvious that it came from me. Can't duplicate the biz b.c it's not even a solid biz. He basically leeches money from investors to run his hobbies and there is no biz or income. Just remind him of my worth and the information I have and I'm responsible for his complete online presence, mention the word BlackHat, then say I deserve a 2 month severance. Take it and leave the country... after hitting up some places on Sukhumvit first.

    @reqd Internet sucks in Thailand unless you pay for a 8 or 10 meg line in Bangkok but then again it's still a shared line with who knows who else.
     
  13. silentthunder

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    Dude been there, not Thai though, you're already considering AC so follow one method and prove it out before adding on. Even then, don't add on more than 1 more.


    Use Yukinari's AC method and nothing else [IT'S GOLD] and work it like you used to work for the slave driver. You'll clear 40K baht easy in the next 12 months in yer underwear :D! Maybe even $40K U.S. $ Then scale up.

    When we hesitate or have temporary low self esteem a truckload of folks appear to convince us we're right and then they try to pimp the blood out of us til we wake up. :eek:

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  14. LaoTzu

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    Thanks for that. I'll search for it and take notes. As long as I'm making $ 300 USD weekly starting this week I'll be good. (yeah, you can live cheaply in Thailand)
     
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    take over his business, like somebody said. photocopy everything. get proof that he is ripping his investor off, tell his investor, and take that too. Run it better. And while you are doing that, blackhat some money off the internet. win/win. Success is great revenge, but success plus plain old every day "fuck you!" revenge is all the sweeter. And while yer at it, key is car, leave fish in a closet of his house, and sleep with his wife/gf. May as well go all out. ;)

    Revenge is a dish best served cold.
    -Old Klingon Proverb
     
  16. BigHustlah

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    For the adsense...if you really wanted to, you could have adsense links from three separate accts on the same page. So yeah, put two ad blocks from your acct, and one from his.

    Don't forget to fart on his pillow.
     
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    What I would do is apologize profusely for what you did and try to get him not to fire you and then follow the other guys advice about setting up his sites with your amazon and adsense accounts. That way you get more money for your job and you can continue to fuck him over until he fires you.
     
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    40k baht is only like 1.2k usd....keep that in mind. And who cares if he looks like the bad guy? Hopefully hell be able to steal from him for a while before he notices and then he can use that money to reinvest. Morally and ethically it might be somewhat wrong to fuck over the guy, but comeon, that guy is being a huge cock by paying him so little and treating him so poorly.
     
  19. BlackHatSoda

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    Yeah, if you tell his investors I'm sure he'll know it was you. Since you're responsible for everything, he's stupid to let you go as he'll loose time and money trying to get a new guy up to speed.

    If you want to screw him, just leave without notice although you won't have a shot at getting severance out of him. But it sounds like he won't be up for paying any anyhow.

    If you do get a month or two severance, go blow it in a few nights on suk and post some pics!
     
  20. silentthunder

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    Hi Lao Tzu. Here's that solid gold Yukinari thread I was talking about. Get paid. It's its own revenge and like Hagiology says don't do dirt on this one. Just get out of there and maybe photocopy a few choice documents though. ;)
    Good luck Champ!

    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/making-money/45451-happy-new-year-bhw-heres-100-day-gift-all.html


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