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Subdomains: A waste of time?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by SuperLinks, Jan 7, 2010.

  1. SuperLinks

    SuperLinks Elite Member

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    I've gotta ask, I'm thinking of a new strategy to implement in the beginning of 2010. I'm looking at ranking well for some localized keywords and was wondering how well subdomains would do?

    My idea is this, subdomain.maincityrelatedkw.com. My ultimate long term goal is to get my main domain (non sub-domain) to rank for the main city keyword. While attempting to rank the subdomains for smaller cities/towns within the main city.

    Is this a wasted effort? Obviously it'd be nice to offset my costs tremendously by purchasing one domain vs. 20-30 individual domains. What are your thoughts? Has anyone had any experience ranking a bunch of subdomains from a specific domain?

    The opportunity is pretty good and I don't have a doubt that I can rank a domain for these keywords, but from a cost/management aspect I'd much prefer to use subdomains.

    Your thoughts?
     
  2. Razorbl

    Razorbl Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Well I'm creating autoblogs on subdomains . They rank good , although i'm not interlinking them all . As I see you could interlink all your subdomains and point it to your main domain .Subdomains will be like linkwheel around your main site and you could make a linkwheel around every subdomain . Hope you understand my point , sorry for my bad english
     
  3. Dan_B

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    I don't think you can use subdomains for linkwheel... interlinking the same ip address will not give u any linkjuice.
     
  4. Perfect.Cell

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    I'm getting some good rank results with subdomain blogs using good SEO and some minor backlink building. Go for it.
     
  5. SuperLinks

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    Thanks for the feedback, getting rankings isn't really the issue for me. I know how to rank stuff, my biggest concern is that I can't rank at the top for many regional keywords on the same domain (even though they are subdomains)....I just don't wanna alocate the money / effort if I could have been more productive purchasing individual domains for each region.
     
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    It does work. I have a friend who makes his living doing just this

    city.domain.com
    city2.domain.com
    city3.domain.com

    Each rank and point to main site.

    and I disagree with the fact that linking to one page from other pages on the same domain doesn't help serps. There is a lot of technique in internal linking structure that could help your rankings significantly.
     
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  7. SuperLinks

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    Thanks alot for this post, that's pretty much exactly what I'm looking to do!
     
  8. jimmy506

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    I've been reading a lot of posts about using Wordpress MU (multi-user) to create multiple niches using sub-domains on 1 hosting account.

    Some people say they can rank well using sub-domains by following these rules:
    - Do Not interlink the sub-domains.
    - Use unrelated niches.

    I understand that Google treats each sub-domain as it's own entity.
    I really can't confirm this though...

    I'm hoping to use Sub-domains for micro niches.
    Lets say I buy a generic domain name like: hxxp://InternetWorld.com

    This way I could use the 1 hosting account for anything:
    hxxp://besttoasters.InternetWorld.com
    hxxp://memoryfoamshoes.InternetWorld.com
    hxxp://electricblankets.InternetWorld.com

    I'm wondering though if in these examples- Is "InternetWorld" ignored by Google when ranking for keyword phrases in the URL?
     
  9. psychotix

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    Im curious about this as well.

    How many subdomains is considered too many?

    I can get 1 to 3 new subdomains indexed and rank fairly easily. Once I tried doing 20 upwards? Both indexing and ranking became a LOT harder.

    What is the ideal # of backlink building (Xrumer) for them?
     
  10. OnlineGodfather

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    interesting thinking and i would like to know some more about how many subdomains are you going to have?
     
  11. pk_69

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    many websites have use geo-subdomain (like toronto.site.com), and they have hundreds of such subdomains. As far as I know it is mainly for better site structure and doesn't give your site SEO advantage
     
  12. MisterGemini

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    Just make sure you treat each subdomain like a separate site. You will need to build as many links if not more to it than you would a regular site.

    You might want to consider finding a way into google maps instead though. They rule the #1 for geo-targeted serps now.
     
  13. mark0v

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    My own limited experience:

    A year or so ago I wrote a script to help me rapidly generate decent looking sites with unique content and unique templates on each sub.domain.com. I made ~50 or so sites like this, some got just a few backlinks, some didn't get any. I don't think I've ever had more than ~5 SE hits per day to all of them combined. It was an experiment to see how such sites might fare with minimal backlinks, and it was a total failure.

    On the other hand I've created a similar quantity of sites on unique second level domains (domain.com) and slapped on a quickie template which was nearly identical for all of them, had no backlinks at all, and just let them sit for a while until I get around to building them. Those sites began getting ~1k/day (combined) in SE traffic, mostly from random long tail keywords.

    I run a web crawler and see plenty of second level domains with literally tens of thousands of worthless subdomains which were obviously created as doorway pages. It wouldn't surprise me if google uses a more stringent algorithm on subdomains than it uses with second level domains, since manipulating subdomains is an area ripe for abuse.
     
  14. psychotix

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    Thats exactly it Markov!
    I've been creating tons of subdomains. Some with quality plagiarized rewritten article(copyscape passed). Some are autoblogs, manually weeded out the irrelevant garbage and then rewritten and each one has tons of xrumer backlinks. They are all doorways and cloaked to redirect to my my main page.
    They are not generating the same traffic as the main domain, or domains with less than 5 subdomains.

    My logic in doing this is supposedly subdomains are treated like independent domains by G.
    I found that to be true with subdomains less than 5. Too much and G starts looking at the whole site independently.