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Sub-Contracting SEO on-site 40+ hrs a week - Should I Quit My 9-5 or Not?

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  1. harrykjell

    harrykjell Registered Member

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    Hey guys, so i've secured a local business many different keywords, like 10, on the first page of google, a few #1. I'm getting payed 12$ an hour cash about 40 hours a week.

    I work onsite in his office mainly doing SEO for his pages. I also do his inventory and photography of his products, but he has me doing piddily bullshit around the shop and sometimes his home office maybe 5-10 hours a week... Now you have to realize this shit is physical labor, which I'm not a huge fan of.

    I was hired to do SEO / Inventory and Photorgaphy.

    Now anyway, I'm usually 5-10 minutes late.

    This morning ( which is NOW ) I was 10 minutes late and he had a fit.

    I believe I should have some leeway, i mean I'm only getting like 12$ an hour...

    So he asked me if I still wanted to even work for him, blah blah, saying that other people that we work with were saying that he should get rid of me....

    Now my question is, If I just quit and started cracking of on peerfly offer sites getting page 1 google rankings and started hitting it hard door-to-door selling websites,SEO, and ORM do you guys think I could make it by?

    I don't have much savings at all.

    What should my move be guys?

    I'm pretty damn good at SEO.
    Do you think my 40 hours a week would be better
    spent internet marketing for myself?

    Thanks guys, I need this.
     
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  2. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    The critical point is (in your own words)
    Your sales will make you or break you. That 's what you need to focus on.
     
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  3. harrykjell

    harrykjell Registered Member

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    Your right.

    I've sold 3 websites in the last 3 weeks passively pretty much.

    2 of em' are on monthly SEO plans now.

    I just don't know if I should quit working for this guy or not.
    I'm just getting fed up with the hours and the other bs.
     
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    Well let me ask you this, how much is the traffic worth if he was running ppc ads. If it somewhat justifies your pay or exceeds it then he should shut the fuck up. But then again you could avoid all that by showing up to work on time.

    As for all the extra work you are doing and him getting on you is ridiculous, sounds like you over extended your skillset to him and now you are being taken advantage of which is common in the workplace.

    Take my word on this, either strum up some side business doing SEO (which is very easy) or build some money generating sites and bite your lip and be a good little employee over working yourself for shit pay until you can sustain without the 40+ hours a week labor.

    People stay at jobs like that because it seems safe but truth is he could can your ass tomorrow.

    Anyways I don't want to sound mean it just pains me to hear people in situations like this. Pm me if you need some help getting your feet wet with offline marketing :)
     
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  5. harrykjell

    harrykjell Registered Member

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    Thanks man. I'll shoot u a PM in a second.
     
  6. Jonny13131

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    He is paying you $480 a week so if you think you can make that or more with an extra 40 hours a week, and it sounds like you can, then quit working for him.
     
  7. harrykjell

    harrykjell Registered Member

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    I totally feel like I can.

    Go door bustin' and just get cracking.

    Its just such a nerve-racking thing to get out of the comfort zone.
    although, whoever said it above is right, he could can me at anytime.
     
  8. grantrux

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    My advice would be to show up on time, and stick your boss for as long as possible, while all the time developing your own clients and making sales. Then quit when you feel you have enough clients and prospective clients to sustain you. Good Luck!
     
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  9. harrykjell

    harrykjell Registered Member

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    Thats what I've basically been doing, and now i'm getting clients, getting ready to start charging a monthly SEO charge to one client that should cover my rent by itself.

    It's just he is hard to work with.

    The type of guy that has a shop worker turn around of like 6 months, and like 3 months for his "internet" guys... Except other than me because I can deal with him being a complete asshole and paying me like half of what I deserve...

    But what I do know is that I have ONE big advantage.

    I completely sustain his main stream of income, internet sales.

    he uses ebay, which makes him sales, but after me getting him to the first page of Google ( which is a constant battle because of the competitiveness of the KW's ) he blew up. This is like all within the last 12 months.

    And he knows that no one else that he can hire at 12 bones an hour will do what I do as effectively or for as cheap.
    Thats my one leverage point.

    What I want to offer to him is to do his SEO for 1500$ a month ,come in 9-12pm everyday and train someone to do what I do other than the SEO stuff
    and then i'd be all good.

    Does this seem too much? Or does it seem doable?
     
  10. Getwhatchuwant

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    Charge him $1500 p/month and do the shit from home. Some days you will have to work on his site, other days not. Dont understand why you have to show up on site to do his SEO. As long as he has the ranking...
     
  11. lobozebra

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    I am in kind of the same situation as you, except my boss realizes my value as an employee. I came here and turned a local site into a national site, so I have pretty much secured my position. My advice is to stick with it if you think it will pay off in the long run.
     
  12. clyde

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    You said you have no savings.

    Don't quit.

    If you can't stand the abuse you're getting from him, how are you gonna get thru going door-to-door talking to strangers?

    You're not gonna get profitable fast with PeerFly as well.

    My advice, only quit when you have enough savings and have been profitable consistently for at least 2-3 months.
     
  13. harrykjell

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    Lol his abuse is a little bit different than having someone I don't know at all slam a door in my face. I used to do storm restoration sales...I know how to door knock.

    But other than that I agree with the profitability part. I'm just getting sick and tired of his bullshit I guess.

    And
    How should I get him to realize my real value???

    In the last year i've done the EXACT same thing as you...
    I have brought his business from a glorified garage sale to an ACTUAL used retailer and legitimate business. But he still gets pissy and moody about paying me 12 an hour and i'm 5-10 minutes late a lot.

    Someone said something about showing him the adwords value of his keywords to help prove my point...

    Any ideas along those lines?
     
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    Go to SemRush, and look at the traffic price of his keywords. Show him how much it would cost to pay for the same traffic.

    My advice would be to keep the job as long as possible while trying to grow your own offline consulting business.
    You have already taken a local company and built a national presence, so if he doesn't see the value, someone else will.
    I have worked with many ungrateful bastards that even after seeing amazing results, they still aren't happy.

    Sometimes is better for both parties to sever the relationship. Of course we all have to eat, so make sure you are stable before doing so.

    Good luck.
     
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  15. lobozebra

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    It might be an age gap difference. My boss is younger than thirty so it seems that he understands how the internet works for the most part. You should show him how much the average on-site SEO person gets paid and that should shut him up. Tell him you expect to be paid less because you don't have the "experience" or the degree, but that he should also compensate you with leniency accordingly.

    How much of an impact would there be if you left? Are you easily replaceable? Are you replaceable for the same rate you are working for right now? Those are the questions you should think about before confronting him about the job.
     
  16. Jonny13131

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    If you could prove to him that you are ranking for competitive keywords that not many people could do he might ease up a bit. How you do that is up to you.
     
  17. Corrupt

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    Go to the job on time for a while.

    If you have free time after the job, start your own thing. If you are "pretty damn good" at SEO, it won't be a long time before you start making $50/day with CPA networks and/or adsense.

    Wait till your first paycheck, if you believe you have enough money for a couple of months, quit. If you don't, then stay.


    "I completely sustain his main stream of income, internet sales.

    he uses ebay, which makes him sales, but after me getting him to the first page of Google ( which is a constant battle because of the competitiveness of the KW's ) he blew up. This is like all within the last 12 months."


    As you say, it's a very competitive niche, and without you, his business will fall, ofcourse, then he'll realize your value and probably ask for you to comeback. Make sure you charge more than what he's currently paying, which he'll have to accept, and do the job from your home.

    You're the one making his business run, not him. You're the one with the knowledge on how to get business, not him. You don't have to take his abuse.


    As to why I would write such a long post?
    "The type of guy that has a shop worker turn around of like 6 months, and like 3 months for his "internet" guys.."
    I know what they are like. One of my distant relatives, who has a shop next to a close relative of mine's shop, is exactly like that.
     
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    In my experience in the bar and restaurant industry and even my own job, owners are self employed people who use other people to make them profit. They need you more than you realize, especially when they can't do something they pay you to do. I'm so sick of the "boss"mentality. I would start doing your own sites on the side, quit doing his bitch work, and get a pair of balls. $12.00/hour isn't any sort of money to settle for. Harsh, but true.
     
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  19. killakem

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    Sorry to hear your troubles!! I work as a virtualization consultant 9-5 and am expected to be in 30 mins early and leave 30 mins late everyday!! however when im ONTIME or 4-5 mins late my boss goes off on me. Its cool cause there paying me an arm and a leg so i just suffer it.

    Bottom line!! Suffer it for now untill you build up your own portfolio of sites or get enough offline business!! because its much harder to find business and make money when ur under pressure and out of work! Trust me on that!!

    I smoked weed for 10 years and that was mainly why i couldnt get up for work and be in ontime so i went cold turkey and quit and find it alot easier to wake up in the morning..

    May i ask what makes u late?? i presume its not public transport as u mentioned its all the time. Also if you he comes at you again with "People say i should get rid of you" thats your chance to remind him of ur value!!

    U sound like u know ur stuff when it comes to SEO so im sure u will find ur way in the end.

    Good luck!!
     
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  20. harrykjell

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    Well Honestly I smoke hella weed, and I am NOT a morning person. The only thing that gets me going in the morning is weed.

    But my problem is that I wake up like 20 minutes before i have to go in and always need like 30 minutes... I just don't use an alarm. Lol Call me an idiot but thats just how i've ran my life for the last 4 years. no alarms. just internal clock.

    But now i think alarm is a good choice after reading these people's advice... And yeah I'm sick of this bitch work, it sucks.


    And I think i'm for sure going to be building my offline business for local businesses here in Rockford, #9.

    Keep the advice coming people! Everything is helping!