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"Stupid" Newbie-Threats & my suggestion to prevent those

Discussion in 'Forum Suggestions & Feedback' started by blackheader, May 2, 2010.

  1. blackheader

    blackheader Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Hello Members of BlackHatWord,

    I´m a registered Member for about 1 month now, and during this time I discovered that A LOT of new members sign in to this great forum, and
    immediately start to post new threats about questions that either:



    • could be answered easily by using the searchbox in this forum

    • could be answered by asking the one that knows everything (gooogle, you just have to ask him the right questions)

    • or even questions alá “I want thousands of twitter-followers – show me how it works, as I´m too lazy at the moment!”.

    I mean, look at myself. I´m also a Newbie with a lot of questions (trust me), but do you see me posting threats with questions that honestly
    could be solved if I just had used the search-box
    , or searched on gooogle for some minutes?
    Okay, some questions are sticky, but also can be
    solved by investing some time trying to figure it out all by yourself.

    I had an experience once, it was on a forum where I had registered on to get a problem solved. But this forum didn´t allow it´s new members to
    post ANY threat nor reply for exactly 30 days. So what happened? Man I immediately needed this problem solved so I began to READ! I began
    to LEARN! I began to UNDERSTAND!
    I began to adapt the typical rules of the forum, the guidelines, how the members interact. I had my problem
    solved within some days, but even more important I also had recieved a certain knowledge about the specific niche of the forum, simply by beeing
    not allowed to ask, but instead beeing
    dependent on collecting neccessary informations by myself.

    Therefore I would like to make the suggestion that every person, that registers on BHW should not be allowed to post/answer for X-days
    (5 days – 30 days?, I don´t mind the amount of days).


    The intention of this suggestion is not to insult/flame nor to offend any Newbie (since I am a Newbie myself that would be meaningless!!!).
    I just discovered this to be a problem for some years and therefore I had some thoughts and made this suggestion. That’s all.


    And yes, there are A LOT of really helpful newbie-members here on BHW, that share great ideas and write really helpful answers and replies.
    That is not the point. None of them will be prevented to do so in the future. If someone is really interested in this forum this person will be willing
    to accept the X-day-rule. Otherwise the person is not really interested and it´s intention for the sign-up is only to gather very fast an expert-advice
    or solution by some pro´s without contributing or never returning.


    And a positive side-effect: it could prevent some spammers that found this forum, register and wanted immediately begin to spam.

    I also used to search box to see if this topic was already discussed, but all I found were threats discussing a similar suggestion (post-count...)

    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...60-post-limit-number-before-first-thread.html

    But I think some of the replies in this threat are very missleading, or not even relevant to my suggestion.

    And I also found this threat:

    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...stion-users-starting-threads-only-1-post.html

    But, again. It´s just an suggestion about the post-count.

    So.. that´s it. Have a nice evening everybody.

     
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  2. bryanon

    bryanon Executive VIP Premium Member

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    Not a bad suggestion at all, but unfortunately it's got two sides to it:

    While it's true that such limitation would reduce the spam and the 'noob questions' a great deal, it would also make the forum far less appealing to new members, essentially making a bunch of them ditch the forum in the first place. Now one could argue that 'let them go - we don't need such people in here anyway', but if you look at the bigger picture, quite a few of those 'noobs' will one day become valuable members / contributors of the community and it may not be very wise to make the forum less appealing to them.

    All in all, the idea is worth 10 points and the reasoning behind it is brilliant, but I seriously doubt that it will ever be implemented - there's just too many aspects to it that could make it backfire.
     
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  3. blackheader

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    Hey bryanon, thanks so much for your excellent feedback!

    When I wrote my suggestion I thought that this "lost of interest" would be getting problematic. And what you say is absolutely true,
    some people could indeed loose their interest in this forum. But I for myself was even more interested in that specific forum (think
    that´s psychological-conditioned: people always want things they are not allowed to, or that are forbidden...), so the value of the
    forum rose in my eyes at that time.

    If one could argue that new members will loose their interest in the forum if they aren´t allowed to post for some days, it also could
    be considered that new-members and potential members (maybe even very skillful/experienced ones with a lot of knowledge that
    could be very worthy for this comunity) could also loose their interest in this forum because of the low quality of those posts,
    and let´s them hesitate from signing up?

    And I think both arguments are worth beeing considered, when it comes up to think about a solution to this problem.

    I think it wouldn´t even be neccessary to forbid them to write 30 days, maybe thats too long. To avoid that this would backfire, as
    you said ;-)))) bhw could also start a test-phase with only some days (5 days?) not beeing able to post. Even a couple of days
    "reading-only" could save the mods a lot of work. (just found another BST-thread of a new-member [april2010] in socialnetwork-
    forum :D)
     
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  4. yeahright

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    It's called a thread.
     
  5. GreyWolf

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    Thats why I made my Guide for New Members. If I see someone that obviously doen't get the idea of how to lurk in the forum for a bit to learn what kind of posts and threads are acceptable, I just post that thread and depending on their post, maybe a few other links as well.
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    You really don't want to put any forced limitations on new members though, because not all new members are noobs.

    Some people may have years of online experience and marketing experience, they know how to act in a forum and might have valuable information to share. We don't want to limit their abilities just because they only signed up recently. Those new members we want to have, and the sooner they can contribute the better.

    There are also many people that are new online, but are still smart enough to know how to lurk on the forum for a while to just read and learn the information here and the types of posts and threads that are acceptable. We don't need to limit their abilities to post either. They may have valid questions that might help everyone, and will probably understand it is best to ask them in existing threads without starting a new thread everytime.

    There are just a few people that don't think about anything, they see there are successful people on here and think they should just immediately start asking questions. Those are the peopl we want to limit, but the best way to deal with it, without limiting the other new members is just to point out they've made a mistake whenever it happens. Most of them learn fairly quickly, or they do go away, and those people are the ones that it doesn't matter about. Report a couple threads they start and the mods will get involved, if they still don't learn they get a ban.
     
  6. Fwiffo

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    My 2 cents:

    IMHO Dumb / Newb questions are always a problem in forums.

    Having said that, compared to other forums I frequent, this one currently does a pretty good job in "returning fire" to new posters that are advertising / out of line / asking *very* basic questions

    This "return fire" does a few things:
    1) it scares the dumb ones away
    2) it makes people do their research on topics and questions before posting. For every newb that gets flamed, there's probably another 10-20 that read it and say "maybe I should check google or wikipedia first..."
    3) it allows new posters who have something useful to say speak up earlier
    5) actively reminds the forum of what the rules / regs / policies are
     
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    "d" at the end of a word is pronounced as a "t" in German. :)
     
  8. bryanon

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    Come on now mate - English isn't everybody's mother tongue and a simple spelling error most definitely isn't worth a nasty remark, especially if the person making the error clearly displays in their profile that they're from a non-English-speaking country.
     
  9. blackheader

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    Hey @ all.. thanks for all your helpful feedback to my suggestion!

    GreyWolf suggested that I could add an article to his "Guide for new Members!", so I wrote a little post for New-Members, that might be helpful for them, before posting articles/threads.

    I hope that in future at least some posts can be avoided by this! Here is the link:

    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...back/188859-guide-new-members-start-here.html
     
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