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STUDY: Cheap link buying for micro sites a waste of money

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by offwhite, Mar 23, 2015.

  1. offwhite

    offwhite Regular Member

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    One of the frustrations with wading through pages of sales threads is trying to find any genuine evidence as to whether any particular service actually produces results. Although I am not mentioning particular services here are the results of my own study. I'd be very interested for anyone else to do a similar study and post their results.

    Around 6 weeks ago I bought a number of different cheap services from members on bhw for a number of different micro sites and monitored the effect on Google serps.
    The sites I built links to are:

    mainly over two years old,
    reasonably well optimised for onpage seo but nothing excessive
    between 5 and 30 pages on each site of unique, well written content
    built in html - not wordpress or other cms
    have a small number of backlinks already (between 4 and 200)
    are in Google top 100 for their main keyword
    have local (UK) monthly searches for main keyword of between 340 and 24,000

    I am monitoring for these purposes Google UK and the results are over a period of approx 6 weeks

    The link packages i bought varied from: blog comments, whole link pyramids to link to my money site, blog posts, cheap links (wikis, bookmarks, comments etc) to my tier 1 sites, and pbn links, and cost between $10 to $40 per package. Little if anything else was done to the sites at the same time that would affect ranking. The link building was cautious in terms of not wanting to produce a sudden massive increase in links

    Results

    Site1 - up - was position 43 now 36
    Site 2 - down -was 80 now 100
    Site 3 - up- was 20 now 17
    Site 4 - down - was 46 now 57
    Site 5 - down - was 65 now 76

    One site that i monitored that I did no link building for and has been untouched for over a year went up from 84 to 67 in this period!

    So - on the whole these services have been a waste of money for the type of sites I have.
    Of course the results may have been different with brand new sites or sites with many more pages or if i had adopted a more aggressive/risky strategy
     
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  2. praetserge

    praetserge Power Member

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    Yeah, totally agree, it's not easy at all to find a decent service on this or any other forum and it takes time.
    And most of the services advertised produce little or no result whatsoever... that's why when I find someone who does a decent job, I keep working with them as I know what to expect.

    One of the most frustrating things I find is that many don't like providing reports (it's either I have to use ahref to see the links so everybody can see new links and I see no point of not showing the report) or they say that I should monitor serp movement (which again is no point as my websites naturally get links + i don't order from only one supplier, etc so it's difficult to understand what caused serp movement).
     
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  3. offwhite

    offwhite Regular Member

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    Most of the positive reviews are about whether the links exist - which should be a given. There are very few clearly independent reviews that mention serps changes. An ebay style raqtings system would be great but I think the majhority of results would look like this

    Ease of use ****
    TAT ****
    Reports ****
    Serp improvement *
     
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  4. asap1

    asap1 BANNED BANNED

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    I dont buy any links that dont mention 15+ TF and they have to be homepage links.

    Other then that and your mostlikely wasting money
     
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    There are always good services out here. Instead of investing money on blog comments and web2.0s buy good pbn packages. Works good for me
     
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  6. praetserge

    praetserge Power Member

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    hahahahah yeah, I like those reviews when they post like 'got the links as promised... awesome service' but no mention whatsoever of what results they got. Getting links is given as you correctly said but people still post this as reviews.

    Another thing which absolutely kills me on this forum is when somebody advertises a service like 'get 10 PR links' and you see people posting that they are ORDERING WITHOUT HAVING A CLUE about where those links would come from or what content, if any, would be used... it really cracks me up.
     
  7. TeKn1qu3z

    TeKn1qu3z Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Buying links is not a worth, but one should buy great links. So many times we get worse links from the market.

    As per the Op please update with more results I will watching this thread regularly.
     
  8. Mister Don

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    It is true that many people don't leave details reports of what they have received. I have a hard time deciding to buy a service when many people just leave a "Links exist, great service" post. Yea, I would hope the links exist. Nothing more to say? DA/PA? CF/TF? PR? Link type? Amount of links? Content quality?

    I understand that throughly analyzing reports you get and leaving a detailed post can be somewhat time consuming, but if you wish to contribute to the BWH community I think leaving a detailed report is the least you can do.
    The seller will be happy you left a detailed review. Perhaps he will get less questions about what his service provides or he may take your feedback into consideration and improve his service. Other buyers will be happy, because they will know exactly what they will receive in reality not in a "best case scenario" shown by the seller.
     
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    Once you realize that the only quality portion of the majority of the BHW services is the sales page design, you can begin to readjust your expectations. Any seasoned SEO knows that the services offered here can work well for a very long tail keyword with 500k search results on Google, but not for a long tail keyword with 10 million search results. And by "work" I mean, your keyword can jump from nowhere to page 4.

    Plus, the majority of the services advertise positive SERP movement, which can be from 182 to 179 - job done.

    As a matter of fact, I am currently testing the expensive end of BHW white hat service providers. And to be honest, I am seeing better results compared to buying $150 packages. However, the progress is slow and tedious and the keywords are not even that competitive.
     
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  10. offwhite

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    I see quite a few posts -"awesome service, will report back on serps changes" - they never report back - either forgetfulness or they just don't get any improvement.I see an opportunity here for someone who sells links and is convinced that they will produce serps increases.- Message the buyer a month later and ask them to post in their thread whether there has been an increase.This is a bit tongue in cheek because i don't believe anyone would do it!
     
  11. praetserge

    praetserge Power Member

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    The seller will be happy you left a detailed review - for most of the services they run, sellers will NOT be happy if you show everybody what crap they are getting for you so any neutral comment is good.

    Did you notice that most of the reviewers leave no reviews at all and it seems sellers are happy with that... no review is better than a shit review.
     
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  12. offwhite

    offwhite Regular Member

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    - that is so true!
     
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  13. schleprock

    schleprock Regular Member

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    Great thread. I am struggling with the same problem. What works, who is trustworthy, etc.
    I have been "sort of" relying on the comments of the moderator who approves the op to help but who knows if this is useful or not.

    Wading through the endless comments asking for discounts, samples, etc and finding few comments regarding the usefulness of the linkbuilding does not make me happy either.

    If you guys can think of a good way for us to share information regarding these services I would be happy to share what I have. I don't know how that would work. We would need some sort of objective criteria.
    If anyone wants to set something like this up I am happy to freely share with that person or group.
     
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    andrecampbell Junior Member

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    I generally find the same thing with cheap SEO Services. They're really only good for diversifying your link profile with branded, url and misc backlinks. Anything else, like money keywords and you really won't be getting any value out of them.
     
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    schleprock Regular Member

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    I do the same. I look at TF and PA and outbound links. Much like you, I don't know if that is good or not.
     
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    I think many are just starting out and are trying to make money. Anyone who really knows SEO is doing it for themselves. Better to use a VA and tell them what to do and let them do it.
     
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  17. schleprock

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    I am sure he meant honest sellers will be happy. Great reviews that can be verified would be gold for the real sellers.
    I get your point about needing objective criteria. For instance moving up 6 positions in the SERPs is fantastic if you go from #8 to #2 but if you go from #206 to #200 it is useless.

    We need a way to get the crappy offerings out of BHW. I would happily pay 2 or 3 times as much for link building that worked.

    There are polls that people take on this site sometimes. Is there a way we could adapt the polling function to work as a review tool. If we used good criteria we would also be able to quickly weed out all the paid for reviews and thread jackers and other shit. I would think people being dishonest would stand out pretty quickly.

    This may lose some revenue for the forum because people with shit services would probably not renew their advertising but people with good services might very well be willing to pay more to post their legitimate services. After all, buyers should be willing to pay more for a service that they have confidence will work.
    (that is just a guess about how BHW ad revenue works, I have no idea how it is done as I am not a seller)
     
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    I don't take their "approval" to serious. They approve tons off crappy services. After all sellers need to pay for their ads right?
     
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  19. SamLewis

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    Hi
    Did any packages say high TR / PR / DA etc?
    Do you have a list of the services you bought?
    Would you recommend any or should I avoid all the packages which say theyll get me 100s of links ?
     
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