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Struggling In the Serps. (stuck) 7500 Monthly, Advice Needed. The fuck is going on?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by boombaby7, Nov 24, 2014.

  1. boombaby7

    boombaby7 Junior Member

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    This is a long post, so I am sorry for that. Whoever reads it, bless you and thank you in advance if you decide to help.

    Here is the story,

    As of late I have been stuck in the Serps, and today I just dropped around 4-8 positions in google.
    I created my website back in late July and my goal was to get to #1 in google for 7500 monthly searches for a long tail keyword.

    Here would be example I conjured up quick that is similar to what I am trying to rank for: best hand shavers for men

    (although I am in the health niche so this isn't the exact kw)
    moz keyword difficulty is 44% medium comp.

    my domain is an exact match domain.

    So like I said, I created my website back in July, and mid
    August of this year I started adding backlinks. As the weeks and days went by, I slowly but surely climbed in the serps.

    About 3-4 weeks ago I reached the bottom of page 2, or top of page 3, constantly hovering between these positions, 20-24. Since then, I have been stuck in the serps. So I decided to continue to add powerful PBN links.

    And for some odd reason, I dropped (4-8 positions) to 28 today.


    Heres the links I've added recently:
    These are the stats for the PBN's /links I added over a span of 21 days. The ones in bold are the links I've added in the last 9 days.


    co.uk DA 32 PA 43 24TF 28CF (homepage link pbn)
    .com DA 28 PA40 28TF 22CF (hompage link pbn)
    .com DA 27 PA33 TF23 CF (homepage link pbn)
    .com DA 16, PA 30 TF24 CF 18 (homepage link pbn)
    .com DA15 PA 29 TF18 CF21(homepage link pbn)
    niche relevant DA42 backlink. The blog post excerpt is near the top of homepage, however you have to click the blog post title or "Read more" button to get to my money site link. (inner link, real site)


    My money site stats are the following: Ahrefs DR 44, Ahrefs URL rank 22, ref domains 54,
    Majestic TF 24 CF 24.


    note: These stats don't show the last 5 links I have added. I believe my site metrics will be much higher. Also my money site is powered by 75% PBN's and around 25% white hat links.


    My theories on why I recently dropped in the serps and was stuck

    -not relevant enough backlinks.
    -over optimized anchor text?

    (currently 3 of my pbn's have the exact long tail keyword for the anchor text.

    3-4 of my other pbn's had partial match anchor text, but then about 1-2 days ago I changed the anchor text to more generic terms like "here", "this resource", "choosing the right one."
    Maybe some of my anchor links were actually not over optimized and changing some of my PBN links to generic anchor terms is the reason why I dropped in the serps?


    All my pbn's are penalty free and I have 11 total. Checked with separate google WMT accounts and IP's. All have different hosting and IP's, whois data.


    Where do I go from here?


    Thanks for the suggestions / advice in advance. I really do appreciate it.
     
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  2. royserpa

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    Just read your thread.

    My suggestion is to keep optimizing your site onsite and offsite.

    Compare your site with your competition and outplay them by doing that stuff a lot better. ;)

    Good luck!
     
  3. Nut-Nights

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    You are using DA and PA as metric, both sucks, Try to get links from Domain having TF 25+
     
  4. JFK33

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    First off, determine if you are in Manual penalty. I highly suspect you are already being impose manual penalty.
     
  5. boombaby7

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    How can I detemrine if I am being imposed a manual penalty? My google webmasters account is all clear of messages.. Same with my pbns. Maybe an algo penalty? Can that happen randomly or only on updates? When the BIG Google update hit my site wasn't touched. Although what was that.. A month and half ago now?
     
  6. boombaby7

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    Thanks for the post! However I do have trust flow listed and most of the sites are close to TF 25. I don't think 1-5 rankings in metrics would make that much of a difference.
     
  7. gooblogle

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    High PA DA backlink still working.
     
  8. boombaby7

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    Thanks for the reply! My onsite is great. Moz pro tools anaylsis gave me an "A" rank. However, offsite is tricky. After the big G algo update a lot of the high authority domains got moved up. They're ranking for this long tail keyword even though they barely have any links pointing to the articles. It sucks, they are ranking solely of Domain authority alone. Therr is 1 or 2 sites in the top 10 with da about 30 tho.
     
  9. BreaknBrix

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    OP,

    Could the size of your site be playing a role?

    Like how big are your competitors sites vs yours?

    Just curious.

    -BB
     
  10. jelly91

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    site age? I'm experiencing slow movement lately too..
     
  11. jamesjk1

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    Hmmm, interesting. I seem to be in a very similar situation with one of my sites - a lot of pages hovering and fluctuating around bottom of page 2 and top of page 3. I am trying to understand what's going on, but am a bit bewildered, tbh.

    My site stats are: Ahrefs Domain Rank: 52 , URL Rank: 11 (wtf?), Ref Domains: 113.

    I won't bother posting my majestic stats as they have been all over the place lately. They WERE at ~24 for both TF and CF flow, but after sending some PBN posts, it has plummeted to ~10 (and dropped a few keyword places). Not really sure what to make of this and am considering taking them down.

    This was my first time purchasing PBN posts that I hadn't done manually myself (buying good/relevant expired domains, re-purposing etc.), so I am cautious about doing anything like that again. Funnily enough, damn-near all the people on the sales thread reported huge keyword boosts, lol. Not blaming the service (I used this), but seriously - wtf.

    Anyway, getting back on track. Your two main theories on why you're stuck both seem logical to me. Over optimized anchors will get you hammered, though not making your anchors targeted enough enough would cause a drop too (I presume). Also, not enough strong domains linking to your site will mean you'll struggle to rank in a competitive niche.

    Based on your ranks, I doubt you're in a penalty - though of course I could be wrong. I am guessing and making assumptions based on limited data just as much as you are which makes it extremely difficult to determine what's really going on. I agree that large authority sites have taken over a lot of long-tail searches, which suggests that DA (or it's similar metric) is an important ranking factor.

    Based on these insights and the fact that PR and relevance still seem to hold true fro ranking, my recommendations would be as follows:

    1. Continue building high PR (solid metric) links to your site. The more relevant, the better. However, this shouldn't stop you getting links from genuinely trust-worthy non-related domains. Point these links straight at your money site.

    2. Diversify Anchors with social signals and comments. Let your PBN's do the 'heavy-lifting' by targeting close or exact match variations of the keyword you're trying to rank for.

    3. Build a few HIGH QUALITY web 2.0's on platforms such as weebly and tumblr. You'll get the much needed DA from these sites which you can transfer to your money site. These web 2.0's should have multiple articles (5+), be relevant, unique content, include vids and pictures and perhaps have 1 link or so to an authority site together with a link back to your money site. Next, you'll want to 'juice' these up by sending PBN posts (don't need to be HQ as they aren't pointing directly at your money site). There was a really good case study done on this about a week ago (link here)

    4. Increase relevance of your pages by including some posts on your actual pages you're trying to rank with related content which then links back to the original page (hopefully that made sense).

    5. Possibly look at doing a 301 redirect of a good, strong domain if you think age might be an issue. I don't have conclusive proof this would work in a situation like this, but it makes sense it would transfer some trust/age to the domain it's pointed to.

    I know it's a cliche, but from what I can see, it really does seem to be a matter of quality OVER quantity - at least when applied DIRECTLY to your money site, but I'm sure you (and pretty much everyone else knew that).

    Hopefully this helps you. I'm no expert, but I don't think you can go too far wrong with what I mentioned. Keep plugging away and let us know what happens. Good luck, Jon.
     
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  12. Silverbak

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    Not to start the whole sandbox debate again, but I'm finding that links get more powerful at three months (ish) and again even more powerful at six months (ish) - with no additional inputs. Keywords will "hang out" on pages 2-4 and then slowly crawl there way up. It should be noted that I'm on a minimal link regime (a little PBN power with just enough other links for diversification). I've noticed this on my two primary sites - one of which could be called an authority (gains a few natural back links here and there, 1-3 for many niche keywords, lots of content) and another that is starting to work on it.
     
  13. SlappinDaBees

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    Just keep building quality and diversified links on a consistent base. A jump down isn't that weird after adding high pr links. Give it a couple of days but keep us updated
     
  14. boombaby7

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    @jamesk1 thank you for the indepth response. Also thanks for the other response guy! Tomorrow I am doing an experiment to see wether there is a sandbox effect or if my anchor text is over or under optimized. I will be creating a PBN on a non penalized PR 3 domain da 36 pa 45. I'll be adding and exact match anchor link to my homepage. We will see what happenes in the serps.. To be continued
     
  15. Asgardian

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    Try adding more PBN posts, if you have 11 maybe buy package of 10-15 more and see the results after a week or two.

    P.S. One question to all, when checking anchor text ratio where do you check it? On ahrefs or majesticseo, which one is more accurate? Because on ahrefs is showing me a lot higher percentage of anchor then on majesticseo.. Thanks! :)
     
  16. boombaby7

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    added another PBN homepage link. page rank 3, DA30+ PA40+ TF 29. Will keep you guys updated on what happens. I used heavy anchor text. This test will determine if my anchor text is over or under optimized I believe.
     
  17. boombaby7

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    Also. I am using scraped content from the old expired website for some of my PBNs. This content is 100% copyscape passed. But is there a possibility google isn't counting my blog posts/ links because I am using scraped content?

    none of my PBN's have penalties.
     
  18. SlappinDaBees

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    Are you still hovering around the same position? If so you should perhaps push a little more aggressive linkbuilding startegy. I'm pretty sure it's not a penalty of any kind. You just lost the momentum and need to pick up the pace. As your websites rises in the serps, you should also increase your link velocity (the higher the serps, the more visitors, the more more people will share your website). BTW, if I may ask.. how much traffic are you seeing and how many articles are on your moneysite?