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~Strength Of PBN Domains~

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Johnny_Tsunami, Mar 28, 2017.

  1. Johnny_Tsunami

    Johnny_Tsunami Junior Member

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    Hey guys,

    I wanted to see what the community's thoughts were on a few things.

    I'm currently slowly analyzing my way through 1,000+ domains that my company owns across tons of registrar accounts, and deleting any and all weak/de-indexed/useless domains.

    I've pulled 5 different domain metrics (YES, I know metrics don't matter), and I wanted to see if you guys would keep or delete the domains.

    To make it an even playing field, let's assume that EVERY domain:

    - Has no extremely authoritative, .edu, .gov backlinks
    - Has a clean domain history (never was a PBN, never been de-indexed/penalized, etc.)
    - Has a "generic" domain name (as in - if you are on the fence about keeping or deleting the domain, and it would come down to domain name relevancy/ability to re-purpose domain, assume that you like the domain name)

    I'm just curious, because I am coming across a huge amount of domains, with Referring Domains between 5-20, and I'm just unsure of whether or not they are worth keeping.

    I understand TF/CF don't matter, and the main things to worry about are RD/backlinks/history/Anchor text, but in a case where my preferred RD of 20+ isn't met, do you guys think I should keep the domains?

    I'm trying to upload imgur images of the Majestic summary so you can see Topical Trust Flow as well. IMGUR Album of all sites: http://imgur.com/a/5NSW2

    Site 1:
    TF 18 CF 12 Backlinks 599 RD 75

    Site 2:
    TF 2 CF 9 Backlinks 210 RD 27

    Site 3:
    TF 7 CF 7 Backlinks 27 RD 10

    Site 4:
    TF 5 CF 7 Backlinks 15 RD 7

    Site 5:
    TF 14 CF 8 Backlinks 27 RD 11


    Thanks everyone! I appreciate all the input!
     
  2. navindarleo

    navindarleo Newbie

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    RD 20+ isnt necesary, domains with a couple of aged and powerful links could be better than domains with 20+ low value RDs.
     
  3. stalin88

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    "I understand TF/CF don't matter, and the main things to worry about are RD/backlinks/history/Anchor text, but in a case where my preferred RD of 20+ isn't met, do you guys think I should keep the domains?"

    I think Nargil will disagree with you. TF does matter, its gives a good indication of whether a domain is trusted or not. Here is Nargil's sales thread

    https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/nargils-expired-premium-pbn-domains-tf-da-referring-domains-based.833397/

    His primary metrics is TF, he bases how he sells domains on TF. He is the go to guy when it comes to buying domains for PBN in BHW
     
  4. rivered

    rivered Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    Very true. I wouldn't put too big of an emphasis on RD.

    Before the PR updates went dead, there were plenty of high PR domains with only 1 or 2 high-quality referring domains.

    RD is useful when it comes to multiple RDs with good domain metrics. Then if you lose one of the backlinks the PBN will still have some link juice.
     
  5. Pinktoe

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    I don't think metrics will help you here.


    Without spending an insane amount of time, I think a good place to start would be to prioritise the domains that have contextual links. Which you can check relatively quick in ahrefs/majestic.

    May take a couple of days for 1k+ domains.
     
  6. darulez

    darulez Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    gimme some ahrefs bulk stats, you can blank out the domains.

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    Very true. I wouldn't put too big of an emphasis on RD.

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    dude, dont make @Nargil kick your azz for that comment.
     
  7. darulez

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    honstely, thats wrong.
    he focus on RD and clean backlinks.
    perhaps you should buy from him.
    he also made some 25 ! minutes video somwhere explaining how he filters them.
    so TF is just one first metric to go trough. not primary.
     
  8. rivered

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    Ranked plenty of sites using PBNs with most of them only having a few high-quality referring domains, so I'm doing just fine.

    Not saying that his domains won't work as well, but always better to test things for yourself and see how it works.
     
  9. MikeyMikey13

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    No offence to Nargil, but his sales thread isn't the gospel to finding domains or measuring how much authority they have.

    Also OP was right. Maj SEO doesn't pick up on absolutely everything. Just is the closest guide we have.
     
  10. Nargil

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    I had a hiccup straight after I woke up. Now I know why. :)

    My sales thread is not a gospel indeed. It mirrors what people want. Simple as that.

    Those of you who claim that RD does not matter have no idea what you are talking about. Go to auctions and try to buy RD500 domain for $50, as you would buy RD50 domain. Never gonna happen. Sure, there are cases where higher RD means fuckall, because the domain is either spammed or the backlinks are utter shit, but as a rule of thumb, the RD in combination with TF is the most reliable metric to determine quality of the domain at the first glance.

    The fact that you can rank with lower RD domains doesn't tell us anything about the quality of the domains. You simply need more domains with smaller RD and that's all. It comes down to ROI. And try to process a sscrape of a few hundred thousand domains. You will find shittons clean ones with RD5 TF20 and maybe a dozen with RD30+. That speaks for itself.
     
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  11. rivered

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    I never said that. I said I wouldn't put too big of an emphasis on it (i.e. it being the main factor).

    Anyways, it depends on the backlink profile.

    For instance, let's say we have two TF 20 domains. One has 5 referring domains with a TF of 20-30. The other has 20 referring domains but with 2 having a TF 20-30 and the others are TF 0 links and some of them being nofollow.

    Which one would you say is higher quality?
     
  12. TheGreene

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    I would personally check the traffic on the sites / backlinks whichever has more traffic go with that
     
  13. Nargil

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    Yes, this is what I have mentioned. You can't go really too much into the details with metrics. If we broke down every metrics with every example there is out there, everything would be wrong and unusable. RD is a rule of thumb. If I can buy 20x RD20 TF10+ domains OR for the same price 20x RD5 TF20 domains without seeing them first, my choice would be completely clear.
     
  14. rivered

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    I can't argue with you there if only going off those two metrics.

    Like you said, it comes down to ROI. Some may find spending the time to research the RDs in depth worth it, and others may not.
     
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    Correct. I mean, it's definitely a good idea to check the backlink profiles themselves, but right now for example I have 9500 TF9+ RD10+ domains to process one by one manually and trust me. In cases like these, you do rely on metrics.

    There will be exemptions with even RD100 domains. Sure, even RD200 domain can be worse than RD5, but we can't really focus on little anomalies like these. Rule of thumb is, that the higher RD, the better the domain. With accuracy of, let's say, 85%.
     
  16. rivered

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    Yes, there are other metrics to consider as well, which shows how subjective it can be.

    Personally, I also pay attention to the URL level, because if the link is on an older post or page buried back it is unlikely to pass PR.
     
  17. Nargil

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    Correct. Since I've been selling domains I got so many different requests that I could write a book about time. All comes down to personal preference. And if ROI is there, who am I to judge.
     
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    If i was in your place, i wouldn't even bother with any metrics, just open one domain by another in Ahrefs and examine their backlinks and anchors. Since you already own those domains. The backlinks is the only criteria for keep them or drop them.
     
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    what about the 3 chinese and japanese guys raping it for their PBN on the past and dropping it after penalty??
     
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    Yes, but you don't see it by the metrics. Okay you are right, you not always see it in anchors, thus you need to check also archive.org - but i assume the OP had checked it already when purchased the domains, that's why i didn't mention it.