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Streaming Website Embed Legal?

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  1. zeelive

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    Hey guys,

    I am interested in making a streaming website but I can't find the real answer of,

    Is having a streaming website that embed video from another website illegal?
    Can I get into any trouble?

    This would be a french streaming website and my server is in US (chicago).

    Ive searched for some french streaming website and half of them are hosted in the US also.

    Thanks for any help ! :)
     
  2. dragonnet

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    If you are not affiliated with that website from which you want to stream then it's almost 100% illegal,especially if you talking about movies and series...If its some viral stuff,short videos etc then its OK in most cases (those kind of websites will gladly give you embed code cause you will promote them that way,by clicking to embeded video your visitors ,in most cases, will be redirected to original source website etc..)...

    You can get in legal trouble (with movies,series streaming) for sure if u dont know what you are doing,especially if ur US citizen..

    Read this thread,i think you'll find some good tips: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...-15k-monthly-story-movie-streaming-niche.html
     
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    Ok, well I live in Canada and I am not sure but I think for canada citizen it's even more stricked.

    I will read your post right now.

    So I will first get affiliate with the website, and then I can't get into any trouble?
     
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    What i meant with affiliation is that you get signed up as a publisher with Hulu,Netflix etc and then you promote their movies/series by creating and ranking your own webpages from which you'll be sending people to the HULU,Netflix ...registration form and make money that way.

    If u want to host movies on your own then its probably,in 99.9% of cases illegal as hell,it's doable offcourse but you will need off-shore hosting,privacy protected websites and so on in order to avoid problems.
     
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    Thank you, yeah I understand.

    I would not hosting the video, purevid(d0t)com is hosting them.

    I can upload movies there and after that, embed them to my website and make money with ads, and views.

    Most of the french website are using purevid.

    So do you think it would be legal to upload a movie there and embed it to my website?
     
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    It wont be legal cause you have no rights to distribute those movies in any way.If purevid is affiliated with some legal movie/series website and give you embed codes then it would be ok,but you want to use them as a upload service for copyrighted material...neither purevid nor original content owners would be glad to see that..purevid wouldn't give a f**k probably as long as there are no DMCA's against you ,but none the less,movie owners can hunt you down for copyright infringement..I'm guessing a lot of things here,but im sure you cant use that kinda material without owner approval..

    From Purevid T.O.S:

    "You further agree that you will not:
    submit material that is copyrighted, protected by trade secret or otherwise subject to third party proprietary rights, including privacy and publicity rights, unless you are the owner of such rights or have permission from their rightful owner to post the material and to grant PureVID all of the license rights granted herein; publish falsehoods or misrepresentations that could damage PureVID or any third party; submit material that is unlawful, threatening, harassing, hateful, or encourages conduct that would be considered a criminal offense, give rise to civil liability, violate any law, or is otherwise inappropriate; post advertisements or solicitations of business; impersonate another person; submit adult-oriented material."
     
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    Ok I understand, but how does big streaming site live then with all those strick law ?
     
  8. dragonnet

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    It's a million dolar question :) I dont know the exact procedure,but in most cases that i know for a fact they are stating in their "legal" pages that they do not host/own any video material on their site and they are using it as a third-party material or something along those lines..
     
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    Yeah, ive seen that also, that's why I tough it would be legal at some degree to do a streaming website embeding movies from another website ( purevid ).

    I know at I point I could be in danger and delete my website, but yeah, I will ask purevid directly to be sure also :)
     
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    DO NOT ask them for permission,offcourse they will say it's illegal..how they could know that you aint some undercover FBI,DMCA lawyer or whatever..do you think all of this people doing PPD surveys with copyrighted material asked their network managers if its legal or not.Offcourse not! They will turn they head and not check your stuff in 99% of cases as long as you making them money and not getting complaints about your uploads..(making your uploads cryptic and not putting real movie/music/game name on it obviously)The worst thing possible you can expect is ban from purevid and loosing money - in super-bad DMCA involved charges case,well...lets not think about that :)
     
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    Haha ok I see :p

    So man I don't know if I want to keep doing my website or I should just leave this project and do something else :p

    I know there was a good place for a streaming website. I need to think about this and maybe ask more question haha.

    Thanks for your help Dragonnet ! :)
     
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    I suggest you read that thread i gave you earlier and think if its doable for you or not..Obviously its working for that guy, there is no reason why you cant emulate that method..

    But yeah,it can get rough if u are so unlucky and get "authority" on your back,without good tactics it can turn ugly...but with right ones..i was earning 5-6K per month on PPD with french,brazil,spain movie download sites...Im not in that scene anymore,it involve a lot of work and investment to get it running the right way..+i have never ever had a DMCA or network ban or even removal of my files...CPA networks do not care in most cases,as long their advertisers are happy with your leads and there are no complaints made on your account..
     
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    Yeah, I am pretty unlucky in life haha I don't know if I should go that way xD !

    I am looking for a way to make money online and I stumble on the post you sent on the first reply, that motivated me a lot to make a streaming website because, then content is easy to get and share. Most of the method to make money online consist of text content, reviews,sell something actually and things like that. Since my main language is french, I have a hard time to make content, and I don't have anything sell.

    So I tough it was a good idea to make this.

    I am also a programmer so I have the talent to edit my streaming website the way I like and make it different from the other one so it's more attractive and things.

    I am not sure yet but I think I will start to search again for another strategy to make money. I tough it could be easy but there is a twist to it and that is the legal issue.

    Thanks for all your help dragonnet :)
     
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    You're welcome mate! Just few more things:

    About making money,plain and simple..If u wanna create your own sparkling engaging never seen content and praise the lords of Internet to take you under their wing that's OK..BUT, the best way for a starter money making is to emulate current successful methods and go with that until you get some money, later on you will have the time and comfort to figure things out and make some sustainable,long term business..

    Best leads on CPA/PPD networks are french leads,by far..You dont need to create anything new,you can basically clone some english speaking apps/tutorials/ebooks/whateva popular download site with actual PLR,free-to-share content which you can lock with your CPA network gateway and earn money that way + you will stay on "white side" cause i guess thats what you prefer :) Put your programming/web-design skills and french interpretation of the content in use..and you will create almost unique,clean website on which you can insert even adsense as second monetization type..how profitable this new website will be? no one can tell.but if you emulate already popular website and its owner is trying very hard to create that content and promote it you better believe its making him money..end of story

    This is OP quote from that thread mentioned earlier:
    "Every post that i make must be unique, so the movie descriptions are my own description after i read imdb description, this way you're unique and you're ok with Google which is most important."

    You see,he is not reinveting the wheel just modifying the existing material..at the end its unique in SE eyes which is most important

    I dont wanna get all smart here and be like "i know everything"..all i know every single action i take on popular niches with some small twist and with decent promoting (backlinks,YT videos,FB pages etc) made me money in the past...(except when i get cocky and pick some super competitive niches)

    SO dont think you dont have nothing to offer or that you dont know enough or whateva...You know enough,just pick some method and start working,with basic SEO,promotion and decent content you will make money for sure...

    Good luck mate!
     
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    Wow thanks for this post mate.

    Haven't came here for the past 3 days sorry for the late reply :) !

    Yeah I surely need to get at work. The thing right now is that ive started multiple little project. Especially there is one that I worked harder on it but I have some hard time to drive traffic on it.

    Ive worked multiple hours on it but I get demotivated because I can't make any sales so I fell that I should start another project, maybe a more easy one but also a less lucrative one, just to learn from the basics.

    I don't want to make any promotion but here is the link to the project I am talking about skyrocketplace(d0t)com

    I am getting tired of working of it so I don't know if I should forget it or I should start something else, for real.

    There is actually one post that caught my attention and maybe start something fresh.

    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...ide-cpa-riches-stop-thinking-start-doing.html

    Anyway, thanks for all the help and the motivation :) !