Stop relying on tools guys...

Every single day i see people expecting thelinkjuice, xrumer, senuke to do the job for them. Keep in mind just one thing.

- If any of those tools were all-in-one wonder they would never release it and instead keep it to themselves

I see it every day ...

- xrumer russian version is different and more improved, they dont want the whole world to get on their tool and oversaturate everything, it will stop to work

- senuke web 2.0 is so much raped by so many people google already has algo to decrease the value of those links, seriously do you believe hubpages.com has a good value after so many spam indexed on it by google?

- thelinkjuicer never gets index, they promise you steady great backlink service and they cant even be assed to index those links


Did anyone ever here heard about world of warcraft game and the botting in that game? There was a really nice piece of software for it and it was called glider in case you wonder. What it would allow you to do is use predefined paths that anyone could use but what happened? Those predefined paths were to spammed by so many people Blizzard(creator of the game) was catching botters on same places over and over again, but what was the good part? You were able to make your own paths, your own private places where you could bot your game character and never get caught. That was really the good part of it and this exactly this reminds me on terrible situation with tools in Seo nowdays.

Everything is oversaturated, everything is predefined, everything is closeminded, everything leads to one way, keep in mind one thing.

When you lead thousands of people trough one door, whats gonna happen? Everyone will run to that door, bombard it and eventually start killing eachother so you could go trough it, but even worse while people are choking, killing and pushing eachother to run trough that door Matt Cutts and google team will observe and laugh while those who killed others to go trough door run happy just to end up in their trap.


Tools need to give people freedom freedom to create their own path, their own choice, their own destiny, only when tools let you be free they will work. Until someone, a hero comes and makes a tool like that prepare to say "fuck off" to tools and find your place, your idea you will work on, something yours that will lead you to success.

I would agree with your post, but google and those like them have made making a dollar online such an enormous task that people have to have a large piece of internet real estate to earn, and using tools is the only way to conquer that, otherwise it would take a life time to get set up.

I think google should go away from PR and backlinks and do something like a rotating popularity search so that everyone might eventually enter the top pages of search once in a while.

tygrus said:

I would agree with your post, but google and those like them have made making a dollar online such an enormous task that people have to have a large piece of internet real estate to earn, and using tools is the only way to conquer that, otherwise it would take a life time to get set up.

I think google should go away from PR and backlinks and do something like a rotating popularity search so that everyone might eventually enter the top pages of search once in a while.

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Not saying that tools as tools are bad, but this scene that lasts for years is terrible sight, i wish times while come like something in this thread, recommend everyone to check it http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/f9-black-hat-seo-tools/

The point is giving man a fish doesnt work, giving man or selling man a fishing rod is something i want to see from all the services who sell their tools.

I'd probably have a backdoor to escape through ;-P

i agree but tools help the newbies to start out, if it werent for them many of us would be lost

Dude, you are such a nerd

i agree with you but also tools help you do things faster ^^.
so its kinda good..

Tools are tools. Nothing more, nothing less. Problem is with the noobs who think a free program is going have the secret code to make money start flying out of their computer. Great marketing tactic, but not a realistic expectation.

Logic agrees with you, my bank balance says otherwise.

... Ahh Friday night, time to load the canons, so to speak.

this tools help, also this tools do the same thing that I would do manually, so if they don't work at least I didn't spend days working for nothing

It's funny, i firmly believe that new users and those who haven't made any money should go through the ropes of learning SEO tactics first before doing anything..why? Because you learn firsthand what works and doesn't work.

Once you see the bedrock on what the tools are built off of, you can proceed on to figure out what you need to automate and why. Me, well, i love creating bots that do stuff that no one else does to gain backlinks. I was tired of doing the same stuff over and over, or having to pay someone else to do it for me.

Botting allows me to capitalize on my time and efforts. And no, i'm not using SeNuke or Xrumer..but i do appreciate the power of those tools. Those tools def do not fly below the radar, the real money is in those tools that do

At the end of the day though it pans out to one thing.Getting your site seen by as many people as possible which is 85% of what this forum is about.

You have your doers and you have your followers.The doers are the ones that create the software that the followers depend on that software creating a cycle.

It's all about money in the pocket for both partys no matter how great the software is.Both are trying to earn some coin.