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Stealing Intellectual Propoerty?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by rebbeca, Mar 11, 2011.

  1. rebbeca

    rebbeca Regular Member

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    So my friend and I go to this college.

    And because college people buy past midterm test, past exams and assignments,

    we thought "we can make a website that automates that process"

    So we did, and ranked first page in google.


    Few days ago, I got an email from one of the professors requesting to delete all "stolen Intellectual propoerty" (tests, exmas..)

    So we did within 1 hour of the request, apologizing to the prof.

    later on, that professor is requesting the domain registrant information so that he coud "pass down the information to a lawyer"

    Could we get sued for this? (intellectual property infringement perhaps..)


    The actually past term test, exams were hosted @ me***fire.com




    What would you do in this situation? (I changed domain whois but its taking time)
     
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  2. rebbeca

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    We did not profit from the website what-so-ever (didn't make sales)
     
  3. facebookdude

    facebookdude Elite Member

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    Contact a lawyer right away. If the professor himself is asking you to give him info on the domain. Don't give it to him.

    I think you'll be alright, it just depends how far he wants to go with it. I don't think it'll be worth his time to so yeah. Contact a lawyer and don't answer any of his questions unless a lawyer address's you.
     
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  4. RavenX

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    good idea man, I wanna hear the input of other members
     
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  5. rebbeca

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    @facebookdude:

    Thank you.

    He is cc'ing the emails, but weird thing he is sending his emails to

    "whatever@laywer"

    instead of
    "whatever@laywer.com"

    , Does he want to scare me only? or does sending email to "whatever@laywer" work too?
     
  6. meathead1234

    meathead1234 Moderator Staff Member Moderator Premium Member

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    Lmao. He's full of shit then.

    Just take everything down and lay low for a bit. Chances are they won't bother pursuing it. If they do pursue it, then speak to a lawyer, don't ask on a BH forum :)
     
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    facebookdude Elite Member

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    Yeah mate, he's full of shit. You will learn over time that the easiest way to some to stop doing something is to scare them with lawyers. Don't worry too much because it rarely gets taken to court or anything.

    Just chill :)
     
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  8. DamnTees

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    When i went to college you could get expelled for stuff like that. You are more likely to get expelled if he finds out your identity than a lawsuit slapped on your hands. I presume he doesn't know who you are hence requesting the whois.
     
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  9. rebbeca

    rebbeca Regular Member

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    @meathead1234
    @facebookdude

    Thank you for such quick reply.
    I found it werid too.
    I was going to post this method on BHW, guess I shouldn't.
     
  10. rebbeca

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    @DamnTees:

    What if I change the whois information to some fake person?
     
  11. meathead1234

    meathead1234 Moderator Staff Member Moderator Premium Member

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    Do it. Just use mediaon.com for domain and hosting ;)

    Just be careful how you monetize it (hint - don't take payments).

    Use an aff network you trust too - I've been ratted out by networks in the past when they've had C&Ds etc on sites I ran offshore.
     
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  12. meathead1234

    meathead1234 Moderator Staff Member Moderator Premium Member

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    Just put on private whois asap. Did you not already do that? And just hope he's not smart enough to look through the whois ownership records as it's easily traceable.
     
  13. coderjeff

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    I'd be more worried about being reported to the college and found to have violated their rules about academic honesty.

    I don't see any reason to contact a lawyer yourself unless you get a letter from the professor's attorney threatening a lawsuit and need to respond. If you are students, chances are you don't have enough money for him to bother trying to go after you for damages since you wouldn't be able to pay even if they did win. If there were no sales, it sounds like no one actually accessed the information anyway.

    If you deleted everything and let him know you have done so, I wouldn't answer any other questions from him, unless you simply repeat that you have complied with his request and removed the information that he claimed was infringing.
     
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  14. eyerish

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    Change the whois...make it hard on them to find you, but don't sweat it. He has no damages and certainly won't spend the money to sue you. You took the material down and frankly...I'm not even sure it is intellectual property once the tests have been given and a student has posession of them. Test banks have been around forever.

    Don't spend a penny on a lawyer over this unless you have a ton of money to lose in a civil lawsuit...and even then....don't worry about this case.
     
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    Affiliate networks will roll over on you without a second thought. Eleadz was the worst.
     
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  16. rebbeca

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    @meathead1234:
    Instead of private, I changed the whois to fake person last night
    but it's not changing untill now (24 hours has been passed. I heard it takes up to 48 or 72) is private any faster?

    @coderjeff:
    Thank you. I will try to follow your gudieline.

    @eyerish:
    Thank you.I hope too that he does not find out about me.
     
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    I've done something similar myself when I've wanted to put a scare into someone and have them think I'm sending copies to an attorney.

    The fact that he said he wanted to pass the info to "a lawyer" rather than using the term "my lawyer" or "our (college) lawyer" sounds like a bluff.

    If I wanted someone to give me info that would help me to file a lawsuit against them, I wouldn't tell them that I wanted the info to hand over to my attorney, which is another hint that he just wants to scare you.

    Again, I'd be more worried about school policies that you may have agreed to than any intellectual property claims.
     
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    Why not take the tests, rewrite them into 'study guides' and sell those. Then you can charge for it, make a profit, the the prof can't claim anything.

    Look at what Gleim does for aviation and the FAA tests, it's a perfect example.

    Edit:
    As others have said, your biggest worry is definitely the school. But from a civil court's point of view, whats a judge going to say when a professor is standing in front of him complaining that a student took his test and put it on the internet and sold it for $5 a pop. A judge would laugh and dismiss it as frivolous.
     
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  19. rebbeca

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    I was so happy that I ranked the first page of google, but yeah...it's all pooof.. now


    Can he prove that I stole his intellectual property though?

    In order to do that, he should have downloaded all my content from the website. (which one should pay to get)

    I wiped out everything within 1 hour, so what are the chances?

    He's old too, around late 60s to early 70s.
     
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    If they wanted to they could pull the whois history but it would cost them some dough $$$$. IMHO if they are too cheap to hire a lawyer, they will be too cheap to pay to data mine the whois.

    also check out the internet archives http://www.archive.org/web/web.php to see if there is any record of the site existing at all.