Discussion in 'YouTube' started by ballbag, Apr 19, 2012.
Thats great keep working hard!
Thanks ziplack. Been trying to make sense of the algorithm for ranking videos, but it's tricky. I have made spreadsheets plotting my ranking for each video by day against competition, keyword search volume etc. can't make heads or tails of it really. Still it's nice to feel organized about it so you have a plan to stick to! Do you have much experience with ranking YT vids? Do you know how long it could take (maximum) for vids to popup in the highest positions? A lot of my vids are hovering around the same level. Would be nice if they all popped into good positions soon like it did with this video I'm earning with. Does this tend to happen often, or is it hard to say?
Any experience with the above anyone? Thanks!
I don't really have any experience, but from looking around I know people say it is the keywords you choose. You could have the exact same video, but a different title and keywords, and one gets 100 views while the other gets thousands. You probably already know that, but just thought I'd say it.
Also good job, I am gonna start promoting with youtube as well.
I'm just using a sort of educated guess with search volumes by using the Google keyword tool.
If I'm trying to rank on main Google SERPs I only go after keywords that already have videos present on page 1, have low competition (in terms of amount of videos for a keyword in YT), have a high exact match local US search volume and I make sure those videos that are already there on the SERPs have the equivalent of less than 200 views per day. I just divide total views by time that a video's been live. If it's under 200 per day I figure this is worth going after, because I can deliver more than this per day with Vagex.
Not sure if I'm doing it right, but it seems like a logical method to me? Just kind of rationalized it all myself really.
I guess my main question now is when to stop the views on Vagex for any given video? Should I leave it running until the video ranks where I want it to (if it even does!), or should I blast a few thousand over a few days and leave it at that in the hope that it will pop into a high position further down the line? I just don't want to be wasting Vagex credits if I don't have to be.
I don't know exactly how big their userbase is now, but the video should not be watched by the same IP too many times, or the video WILL go down in rankings, especially with view4view networks. Be safe, not sorry.
Thanks izSpK, what are your thoughts though on running a blast of a few thousand then leaving it. Do videos start to get views by themselves even if they'd been left on page 2 for example?
Page 2 usually never gets any attention so I wouldn't really get my hopes high with that. Page 1 rank #1-3 would start flowing in organic traffic, which is what you should aim for.
OK I'll run my views on the videos for a while then and see if they budge. If I've moved from say position 80 to 30 in a week with some videos is it reasonable to assume that the pace will continue up to the higher positions if I keep views flowing? I know that could depend on so many factors of competition etc., but how long can it take typically? A month maybe?
Give it 2 weeks to 1 month. Also if start seeing DROPS in the ranks, immediately stop the view4view systems or you will just drop more.
Brilliant izSpK - really sound advice. I'll be knocking on the Tornado's door soon if my YouTube experiments bear more fruit! Need to bank a bit first...
ballbag, I've uploaded some videos. I'm using vagex its been a week I've only got like 700-900 views. Is this normal, how fast did you get your views. How long will it take me to get rank 1
Hi soxio123, I'm pretty new to all this myself. I've been slightly worried that my one successful earnign video was a fluke - I hope not, but it's always good to try new stuff and learn in the process.
I think it depends on how long your videos are as to how many views actually stick. By default with a free account you can only set it as 30s - which I guess is fine if you have short(ish) videos as more will stick? I upgraded to the Expert package with Vagex as I needed more credits and wanted the ability to run longer view times for longer videos.
I think the key is to try lots of different videos in lots of different niches and just get a personal feel for whats working. Then put more beef behind the stuff that is. That's what I plan to do, anyway...
Thanks for the response, good advice!
How many views do you get on a video with vagex a week. Im thinking of getting the guru package.
glad to hear your success ballbag! i've been messing around with youtube lately too and only collected a few bucks so far are you doing any 'regular' backlinking to the vids to get them ranked in G or did it end up there naturally?
Thanks baddrunk! Just a few embeds on Facebook profiles / pages and social bookmarks on all the vids I upload. Nothing too much really. Most videos in the niches I'm targeting don't really have any, so I'm assuming my little amount of backlinking is putting me in good stead?
Haha, nice way of diversifying a little, I was wondering what I should try next as adsense is driving me insane one wrong move and your site is gone for months, this could be worth looking into. Just a question, what kind of videos do you do? just film yourself doing stuff or you edit bits and pieces and make new stuff?
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