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Starting SEO Project for a Customer - Expert Advice Welcome

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by jonheres, Dec 31, 2011.

  1. jonheres

    jonheres Registered Member

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    The Title Should have been "Starting Black Hat Project" Sorry for the mistake.

    Hi Guys.

    First I hope all of you here in BHW a wonderfull 2012.. filled with health, and of course MONEY =).

    I just signed a contract for 4 months with a Medium Sized Casino Operation that is looking to send some quality traffic towards their affiliate website.

    The budget is quite limited (They will be paying me around $1k / Month + 10% Commision of each affiliate gathered - lifetime )

    Because of this, i have decided to do everything myself instead of outsourcing.

    I was wondering on how would the BH experts here will approach this.

    Should i try the likes of Xrumer / Scrapebox and target related forums and blogs so i can raise some traffic towards my landing pages via comments and signatures ?

    I was planning to then redirect those landing pages to the money site (Affiliate landing page)

    The customer is not interested in white hat SEO since they know the budget is limited and the niche is so competitive (plus i dont know exactly how google handles the whole "Casino niche" deal.) Well they just want converting traffic, it doesnt really matters how i get it! =)

    I am a frequent reader of the forum for quite some time now (and a noob, but very eager to try and learn) so i think having this small contract is a good excuse to making 2012 the year i will be stepping on the BH boat actively!

    Any advice or ideas are highly appreciated and welcome!

    Cheers!
     
  2. schwagoo

    schwagoo Jr. Executive VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    First of all: get IN writing that you hold no liability for consequences of decreased search rank. Yes they could still sue you, but it will help.

    Is it a physical casino, or online?

    With that limited of a budget, I would start with manually building loads of unique and captivating content on their site, and building landing page domains for each keyword. Also I would suggest aggressively targeting long-tail keywords to start some traffic.
    You have zero chance of ranking for "online casino" with that budget.

    Also get in writing how they define a "successful campaign"
    A casino could easily bring in 1000 bucks from a SINGLE conversion. To increase your budget (and Earnings), I would work in a system where for every 5 conversions, they pay you 1000 extra, this isn't commission, it will be used to reinvest in their campaign for things like additional PR domains, PR network blasts, content writing.

    Sounds like a challenging project. Good luck!
     
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  3. DamageX

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    Expert advice: don't take on clients if you have no clue what the fuck you're doing and you have to ask for advice on BHW.

    You're welcome.
     
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  4. Scripteen

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    Pay premium to get a professional landing page done with the pitch not only graphics and target at least 10 easy to rank keywords in it then buy multiple packages of Spam Gone Wild targeting all the keywords and few random related keywords that are not optimized in the page.
     
  5. elvis1973

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    isnt that exactly what BHW is for? I suppose you where born an expert and you are that successful that you dont need to work anymore so you can spend your time posting really unhelpful posts to people who are just trying to earn a living and need a little advice.

    OP...hopefully you will find this a little more helpful

    I started out exactly the same way, and I now have several good contracts, when i took my first contract on board I came straight to BHW and started asking a few questions.

    Why dont you take a look at some of these services, you can use part of your budget to pay for them and then do some things manually.

    Linkpusing - its got a few probs at the moment and I have just cancelled my account but Im sure they will get them sorted out.

    Cash202's SEOBlast - read his thread, its probably the best thread on this site

    Backlink genie - you can create loads of different blasts each day and schedule them for months in advance, its around $138 per month for their premium service

    I would also take a look at Magic Submitter, its only $67 per month and will automate a lot of the account creation tasks, Ive been using it for a moth now and its great for that price, it does most things that SENuke can do for a fraction of the price.

    If you are going to look at some of these paid services then i suggest you take notes and measure how well they work for you, dont use them all at once like i did because although i took a difficult kw to page one, i dont actually know which service worked best for me so im having to do a lot of reverse engineering to see which one performed best.

    hope this helps a little...good luck with your contract,
     
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  6. elvis1973

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    what is this? have you got a link? have you tried it?

    EDIT: its ok I have found the sales thread for this....looks interesting, maybe a little risky for the money site.
     
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  7. schwagoo

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    @damagex

    I get your point. There are plenty of wanna-be seo guys out there who sell a 1000/mo contract and have no clue what they are doing. So they buy a few fiverr services that don't do squat for he customer. Now that customer sees SEO as worthless, muddying the water for real pros later who can really produce results.

    Seems like OP is really trying to deliver the goods. Hopefully we can help a little and get him some results for his client.
     
  8. elvis1973

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    I love it when I take over an account that someone has made a complete mess of before me and achieved nothing for the client.

    It makes what i do look much more value for money, if everyone was an expert and provided great results then we would all find it much harder to find decent contracts.
     
  9. DamageX

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    Yes, it is. Which is why you're supposed to learn BEFORE you go out on a limb and promise shit you have no idea how to deliver.
     
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  10. schwagoo

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    100% agreed

     
  11. wahidpolin

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    So you just read..?
     
  12. jonheres

    jonheres Registered Member

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    Hi!

    It is an Online Software. They are giving me 5% - Lifetime - of everysingle deposit too. Although your idea seems pretty intresting too!

    I was wondering if theres a method to bring inmmediate traffic, not Search Engine Dependent..

    For now i have gathered a list of more than 359 related blogs in different Latin American Countries, and i have commisioned the development of several widgets (wordpress, joomla, hard coded html) so i can approach the blog owners and offer them an attractive commision plan (2 tier) to join us!

    Thank you so much for taking the time to help!

    Happy 2012
     
  13. b1step-ahead

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    Congrats on landing a client-

    1. Google views online gambling as porn- I have no issues with either but it can be a tricky venture
    2. Unless you have tools ready to go- like xrummer or nuke- use a bunch of fiver gigs. They work good and $200 will buy you alot of services.
    3. For instant juice try pushing a bunch of craigslist ads out.
     
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  14. jonheres

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    Hi DamageX! Thanks for the fucking advice! :D

    Anyway, i can definetly go beyond the tenderness of your words and center myself in the message. I totally agree it sounds risky but if i may explain something to you, perhaps i will get lucky enough to get you give me some more advice .. i hope i am lucky enough.

    I have been doing White Hat Seo for quite some time now with really good results. I do manage a few bundle of concepts quite good enough to understand others with more ease and making my learning curve a little less steep.

    I am well versed in Php, html, and have the money to settup a small infrastructure (computed, bandwidth, etc) to try to go ahead with the project.

    Sorry for the whole "I , I , I" .. just trying to explain.

    I will love to know how would you approach this challenge.. i have decided to give it a try , so the different point of views from the users in the forum ( those who really know about what they are talking about) will be extremely useful !

    Anyway, i really appreciate your advice .. it is good to make an educated desicion , with both , positive and negative outlooks!

    All the best in 2012!

    cheers!
     
  15. jonheres

    jonheres Registered Member

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    Hi! .. I defo got the html / Writing skills (in spanish) to get this done and replicated multiple times! .. i was thinking about doing masive BH linking to pre-landing pages (well done design + pitch as you said) and redirecting them to the money site ..

    How will you try to achieve bringing traffic right away ?

    Thanks for the help! =)
     
  16. jonheres

    jonheres Registered Member

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    Hi Elvis,

    I understand his advice, although i Agree theres quite a lot of noobs out there trying to do things they are not prepared, i do feel i am in the position where i have enough knowledge to give it a try, i am just looking for a strategy.

    I totally agree that one of the most important things you can do here in BHW is looking for advice. After all, no one is an expert in EVERYTHING! We should be benefiting from each others expertise!

    I will definetly take a look and search the services you describe here. I am , i will be aplying for Junior VIP membership, i think i am ready for it and i hope i will be getting even more responses like yours there!

    I hope you have an amazing 2012 .. thank you so much for your time!

    Warm regards,

    Jon
     
  17. jonheres

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    Hi Schwagoo ,

    Thanks for replying. I do have good white hat skills. Have done most of my projects outsourcing different services and setting up strategies around them, with good results.

    I understand the casino niche is quite different and pose a challenge even for the savy and expert. I have not work with it before, but i strongly beleive opportunity comes knocking from time to time.. you see, its a 4 month contract for 1k a month, if i deliver i will probably get much more out of it, so i am willing to invest my own money to make it happen.

    I really have a feeling i will be able to get all the info i need here. I really do. I will search, try, ask , pay for different services being offered here, and do everything again and again until i get some results that will lead to good convertions.

    That will get me much more than just 1k / month.

    The customer is also paying me an extra 1k / month for Social Media Community Management , which at this point is really easy to do .. ( Twitter and FB .. gathering likes and managin status updates ) i have one of my employees working on other customers , and he can easily fit a new customer into his workload.

    Anyway, at the end of the day, challenges are like this =) .. i will take the risk!

    Thanks for reading , and if possible, i will love to know a bit more on how would you approach a project like this.

    If you would have a .. lets say , 10k budget a month, how would you make it happen ? (strategies, techniques etc)

    Hope you have a happy new year! =)

    Cheers,

    Jon
     
  18. jonheres

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    1. Yes, i totally understand! It is a challenge!
    2. I can definetly invest in buying all of the right tools needed. I can definetly handle the learning curve .. not scared. I am just spending some time before , searching to make an educated desicion on my approach.
    2a. Fiverr gigs seems like a nice "backup" parallel way to go.. to have differentiation on the strategy.
    3. Craiglist and other ad sites seems like a good place to look for people trying to make money online ... perfect for affiliates!

    Thanks for the advice! Much appreciated!

    Cheers,

    Jon
     
  19. jonheres

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    =)

    You see, i have a different point of view here.

    Everyone can learn and deliver. Is a matter of consistency and discipline. Yeah, you need some brains too, but most people i know have enough brains to learn. Intelligence Its a human trait you know. Those who fail, are mostly people without the discipline, not people without the potential to learn.

    What IS NOT EASY to get , is Opportunity, it comes knocking from time to time, and some worthy people wont even get a chance to grab it in a lifetime... it is sad, but thats the way it is.

    So should i chicken out when opportunity comes my way ? I say no. I bet many big names out there, when they were beggining , did exactly the same, grabbed the opportunity when they saw it, embraced the challenge, and became succsesfull.

    At the end of the day, they called me, they came to me, and they told me their starting budget. I told them is quite small , but it will be scalable. They have a top notch product, so i will be trying to focus on bringing results and keeping a positive mindset about the revenue scalabilty poiting towards my way if i do so.

    Feel free to share your knowledge.. hey! who knows i can even come to you and you can make some money out of this when it gets big! ( yes .. its new years eve here and i am sooo optimistic! )

    Cheers!

    Jon.
     
  20. jonheres

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    I alson contribute posting whenever i feel i can be helpful =)