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spot 1 for a keyword.completely ignored for another one?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by iamok22, Mar 7, 2010.

  1. iamok22

    iamok22 Regular Member

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    well...

    i have a videosite.
    it is about a movie that will come out on december of 2010.

    i am on spot one for "watch nameofthemovie online"
    but i am nowhere for "watch nameofthemovie"

    i have built backlinks for both keyphrases altought i have more for "watch nameofthemovie online"

    anyway my website is just few months old and it was in google dance till 10 days ago.
    now i am stable on first spot for my top keyword but i am nowere for "watch nameofthemovie"

    can somebody explain to me the reason for this to happen?

    thanx
     
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    blackhit Super Moderator Staff Member Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    The longer the keyword (longtail), the easier the ranking will be and the less competition there will be.
    The downside is that with longer keywords there will be less searches per month.

    How many competing pages are there for your 2 word phrase and how strong is the competition on the 1st page?
     
  3. iamok22

    iamok22 Regular Member

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    i am sure i have more backlinks and better content than my competitors.the fact is that i am not at all listed for "watch nameofthemovie"
    the problem is not my position but the fact that for that keyphrase i am not listed at all even if i am first for "watch nameofthemovie online" that has approximatively the same number of competing pages and the same kind of competition.

    i am wondering if google placed me in sandbox for "watch nameofthemovie" only....
    is this possible?
     
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    blackhit Super Moderator Staff Member Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Sandbox is for the domain, not for a keyword.

    So, you're not sandboxed if the longtail ranks.

    Do you have Google webmaster tools and submitted a sitemap?
     
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    iamok22 Regular Member

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    sure...
    and google webmaster consider my website perfect...no problems or suggestions at all.

    this is the reason this thing really appears strange to me.
    i also know sandbox is for the domain and not for the keyword but in this case things seems to be different.

    anyway i have used a custom robots.txt file to avoid duplicate content.i prevent the bots to index my categories and my tags...(however i do not think robots.txt is the problem)
     
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    blackhit Super Moderator Staff Member Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Did you go to the last page in the SERPS and checked if your page/post is in the supplemental index?
     
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    damn...i have just checked it now and my website is on the last page of google.com for "watch movietitle"

    i do not know anything about supplemental index .
    what is it?
    anyway i do not read anything about "supplemental" on the last google page where i am on.

    what can be the reason for this?
    why am i on the last google page for "watch movietitle" and on the first spot for "watch movietitle online"?

    ps: on yahoo.com i am on spot 32 for "watch movietitle"
     
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    blackhit Super Moderator Staff Member Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    You get the supplemental index if you press "repeat the search with the omitted results included" on the last page of the SERPS.
    It's the shadow zone between the main index and the sandbox.

    There are a lot of questions on this board on "why don't I rank higher in the SERPS".

    One advice that returns everytime again is "keep building backlinks".

    Don't wait for your keyword to rank higher before you move on to your next project. Maybe it will, maybe it won't.

    Just move on to your next project but stay with your method. Observe what happens with your next couple of sites before you draw any conclusions on the effectiveness of your method.
     
  9. iamok22

    iamok22 Regular Member

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    with a normal research i am on the last page of google: page 58


    using "repeat the search with the omitted results included" i am on page 73 on 100 pages available

    what does it mean?
    am i in the supplemental index or not?

    ps: however if i am on the last page on google for a keyword that i should be first...well...i call this penalty with no doubt...just do not know what kind of penalty is this
     
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    blackhit Super Moderator Staff Member Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    I'm not completely sure on this one as I don't bother too much with the supplemental index.

    I think I read somewhere that when you add the omitted results to your results some of the sites get those indented results added to them.

    So, your site gets pushed down.
    These omitted results of course are NOT your competition as they don't show up on a normal search.