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Spinnerchief III Review VS Word/AI Rate the readability of my article

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  1. loveghost003

    loveghost003 Regular Member

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    HI :)

    Guys as you can see in my profile, I wrote a lot of topics suffering from my problem, and that is I can't write good quality English posts since I'm not native speaker, also I don't have enough money to outsource them. So I read a lot of reviews about spinner software to pick the one which could help me out of my problem, and to help me rewrite articles to good quality ones.

    Almost all reviews tell that WordAI is the best for rewriting articles [not spinning], then Spin Rewrite comes after that. BOTH are really expensive and I can't pay all these money. So I heard that spinnerchief 3 will use some technique near that WordAI uses, and I waited to its launch [Spinnerchief 3] then I bought it 2 days ago.

    The program was amazing, but as you know guys, nothing can do like human abilities. The program gives a readability like %70 and then I review the article and proofreading it to give it more %20 readability. So I think my articles may get of %90 readability [This is rating anyway and I want you to read a sample of my articles to give me your rates later]

    ONE MORE THING
    WordAI may give high readability of Spinnerchief, but the final articles cannot pass from copyscape since it [WordAI] leaves a lot of duplicates.

    NOW, PLEASE, READ MY ARTICLE AND RATE ITS READABILITY SINCE I MANAGE USING LOTS OF SAMPLES LIKE THIS ARTICLE IN MY MONEY SITE, HOPE YOU GOT MY POINT.
    Here is an article I rewrote it by Spinnerchief 3 then made a review with proofreading to raise its readability quality, the whole process took 10 min. Red words are the ones that been created by SC3 and me:

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    If you want to see the Spinnerchief direct output [with no proofreading of me, and I don't want you to rate it since i has low readability quality]. here it is:
    http://s30.postimg.org/risc1epf5/image.png

    Another thing, I made an article with this proccess [Rewrite an ezinearticles article with SC3 the proofreading it in under 10 min] and I submitted it to ArticlesBasem, After 3 hours, they approved it :)

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    See it here:
    http://www.articlesbase.com/health-articles/best-weight-loss-foods-6877345.html


    FINALLY READ AND RATE THE FIRST ARTICLE :)
     
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  2. loveghost003

    loveghost003 Regular Member

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    Any Reviewers ? :)
     
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    Beven Elite Member

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    If your WordAI articles aren't passing as unqiue's it could be that the articles are too short, or you need to tweak the setting s a bit. artificial_genius the owner gives some recommended settings on his sales thread.
     
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  4. loveghost003

    loveghost003 Regular Member

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    Word/AI is the best, we all know that, and I mentioned that also, but the price is terrible for the turning version.
    Spinnerchief 3 is one time fee as $100, and it is quite low quality than Word/AI [but not much]

    Can you give me an article original + the spun version by wordai turning plan?
    Because I want to make a comparison between Wordai and sc3 again.
    If you can, please give me the spintax to, this will help a lot in this thread.
    [please don't add manually spinning, just give me the one click rewrite version, I know that the spun article will have a problem in uniqueness and readability, like sc3 do, but I want to make a comparison of the qualiti of synonyms for both programs ]
    THANKS A LOT :)
     
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    loveghost003 Regular Member

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    Any more reviewers ? :)
     
  6. aj113

    aj113 Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Hi loveghost003, I am part of the SC3 development team. Can you post the text of the original article please? I would like to check it in SC3 to see if there are better options for settings. I will post the results of my testing here.
     
  7. aj113

    aj113 Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    In answer to your OP loveghost003 it is not quite up to human readable yet. Let's see how near we can get it.

    edit: Actually I just checked the SC3 output you posted - it's pretty good in all honesty, not that far off human readable. One thing I would say is that you need to be careful which articles you choose to spin - this one has some errors in the original, so those errors are going to be repeated - or made worse - when you spin.

    I realise this is not an easy task for you as English is not your first language, but it is an important point nevertheless.
     
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    Moved to Black Hat SEO Tools...
     
  9. loveghost003

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    Hi aj113
    Here is the original one:
    http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Five-Stages-Of-Teething&id=308739

    â–ˆ I really hope you continue posting any progress here to give us better options in SC3 to get more readable articles.
    Remember, all spin softwares can spin really good, but no one can rewrite in readable article [except wordai and not too much quality] so if I were you I would put more work to make SC3 rewrite articles better than spinning them.

    â–ˆ Another thing, to rewrite an article to readable one, the best option you should do is to rewrite phrases more than 2 words, because phrases always have the same meaning, BUT, when I use superspin feature, it doesn't rewrite all phrases, and this low down the quality of rewriting. so I don't know why superspin rewrite most of words and doesn't rewrite most of phrases, Hope you can fix this.

    â–ˆ I hope you make a really really important feature, and this feature is, make SC3 highlight the sentences [more than 4 words] which SC3 didn't rewrote them. this will make us rewrite them more faster.
    Word/AI and chimprewriter make this, example of word AI:
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  10. sylonious

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    Edit: I just checked out the SC3 BETA for myself. The results I'm getting back just don't match up with the OP's "direct output". I'll keep messing with it, but the synonym engine just isn't as strong as WordAI and there were some serious formatting issues. I also didn't see too much grammar checking and POS going on.
     
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  11. aj113

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    Could you give an example please?
     
  12. freller

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    Having used every major spinner out there - including WordAI and SC3 - none are really up to producing decent quality first pass copy. None.

    First off, why use a spinner at all? If it's to pass Google duplicate copy restrictions, straightforward synonym replacement doesn't cut it anyway. I've experimented every which way using synonym replacement and while the stuff gets indexed and rated pretty quickly, it soon drops off the SERPs as the filters start to kick in (that's the dupe filters starting to override the 'newness' filter). Not only that but using 'second choice' synonyms results in second rate copy by default - we naturally write what flows best and using alternative replacements nearly always results in clunky, artificial sounding text.

    WordAI is the best in class but that's not a particularly high hurdle to jump at present.

    And as for anyone who's first language isn't English trying to use a spinner, no wonder we end up with so many poor quality articles clogging up the directories. I wouldn't attempt to write for non-English language sites because I'm not up to the task - I can do passable French but it's not up to publication standards and I wouldn't inflict my efforts onto a sensitive French citizen. The gulf between 'legible' and 'worth reading' is huge, but so much of the rubbish in article directories falls into the 'barely legible' category mainly because it's submitted by individuals who genuinely haven't got a clue (or often even a care) about what they're outputting.

    Google have been zoning in on copy quality for quite a while now and Bing/Yahoo will only follow. English is one of the easiest languages in the world to learn at a basic level, but one of the hardest to practise at a good level. Auto-spinning makes a difficult job even harder because it never outputs a decent size article to an acceptable quality first time round. Usually it's far quicker just to rewrite from scratch.

    Sorry if that sounds elitist or defeatist even but as someone who's also owned a number of article directories over the years I've seen first hand the deluge of incomprehensible spun garbage that pours in every day. It's a crap tsunami that no-one would ever want to read, never mind have to sieve through. And the best bit is when the 'authors' then email you demanding to have links removed "because of Google's new guidelines". Oh the joy.

    To really do the job spinners need a level of AI that simply doesn't exist yet - the ability to take whole paragraphs and rewrite them in good grammatical English that is very substantially different to but means the same as the original. There's a reason why The Leading Articles have been so expensive - having gone through the same exercise myself I can confirm it's very costly to do to an acceptable level. Just spinning synonyms won't work with Google any more - their algorithms are way better than that (in fact, Microsoft have the best but not the facilities to use them to the fullest). You need a good understanding of English and to manually rewrite everything to produce something that's likely to have any kind of long term life in the SERPs.
     
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  13. aj113

    aj113 Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    You seem to be working on the premise that people use spinners for autospin only. Many people use SpinnerChief as an aid to manual rwrites. SC3 Beta has a great new spin tree function, did you check that?
     
  14. freller

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    Yes, I've used SC3 and it's great for the job, but very little of the functionality does anything really worthwhile. If you're changing whole paragraphs then a simple wordprocessor will do the job - you don't need all the bells and whistles on the spinners unless you're going to superspun status (spinning whole paragraphs and sentences and not just words).

    To repeat the obvious truism, if an article reads well first time, all you're doing by spinning just the words is producing a large number of lesser quality alternatives. The web really doesn't need that and Google are acting accordingly.
     
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    In your first post you stated that spinners need "....the ability to take whole paragraphs and rewrite them in good grammatical English...." so clearly you must believe that even if an article reads well the first time, it is still - theoretically - possible to spin the article with a favourable result.

    SpinnerChief3 doesn't simply replace synonyms, it recognises the part of speech and uses the appropriate synonym. Admittedly this is a vey basic form of rewriting but even a manual rewrite would have an element of this.

    Furthermore SC3's massive cloud database holds thousands of popular phrases, and it uses these as "synonyms" too, and again this would be expected from a manual rewrite.

    Finally SC3 can recognise some types of sentence structures and actually rewrite the sentence, an ability that is possibly on the first rung of the ladder towards the AI you mentioned, and once again this is a function that surely would be operated as part of a manual rewrite.

    While I'm not making any crazy claims for SC3, we have spent the last two years working our nuts off to improve it, and I think the output is significantly improved from SC2. I would love for you to send me a sample article that doesn't work so well for you in SC3 so that I could study it, ascertain whether your results can improved by adjusting settings, and more importantly, analyse the results to see where we can improve the coding of SC3.

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    You are clearly at an advanced level in terms of ability, and command of the English language. Many people are not at this level, and need the help of tools like SC3. As I said before, the Spin Tree function was developed on the request of users, and although you personally may not see a need for functions like this, (or indeed other SC3 functions), many people do.
     
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  16. freller

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    Yes, I absolutely agree. All paragraphs can be substantially rewritten to produce a result that's equally acceptable. Where I disagree is with the automatic use of synonym replacement on single words. I've never, ever seen whole articles rewritten in that way that don't need substantial 'touching up' afterwards if a sufficiently aggressive replacement setting has been used (and if it hasn't, what's the point?)

    I've used SC3 and I agree that it's excellent for the job it's being asked to do. However, I absolutely disagree that:-

    because that's where the problem really lies - users with a relatively poor knowledge of English using powerful tools like this outputting garbage that they often don't realize is garbage. Having read thousands of diabolically bad articles that I know have been spun before submission I have to say that very many users either don't know they're submitting rubbish, or they don't care. It's all just "gimme the link" and forget what's around it.

    There is a way of getting round all this using software, and that doesn't require an advanced knowledge of English grammar, but it is inevitably costly and it's something I'm working on at present to see how low I can get the costs. In the meantime, products like WordAI and SC3 are great at what they do for those who know what they're doing, and that's where I'd like to leave it.
     
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    According to my four years' experience of using article spinner, i have used SpinnerChief, Spin rewriter, Chimp Rewriter, Wordai, The Best Spinner, i think the best choice for me is SpinnerChief, because it is cheaper than the others, and it can rewrite articles to the most human readable and unique. This is my own experience, and share one 30% coupon: WHB30OFF, hope this is helpful for you.