1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Speculation about infinite tiers

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by aidenhera, Feb 22, 2017.

  1. aidenhera

    aidenhera Elite Member

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2016
    Messages:
    1,609
    Likes Received:
    282
    Gender:
    Male
    I think tiers will work in infinite way, meaning that tier 10 will work for tier 1 and money site
    I didnt test it obviously but heres obvious reason why:

    Money site gets power from tier 1. tier 1 is weak so u boost it with tier 2. now, because tier 2 is weak, tier 1 changed from weak to moderate. u boost tier 2 with tier 3. now tier 2 is strong and tier 1 even stronger.

    link juice is not flowing from tier 3 to tier 1 through tier 2. Even if theres some hidden mechanism that passes link juice from tier 3 to money site, but stops as tier 3 (usually people make up to 3 tiers), theres still one more thing that will never stop.

    What i mean is the power of site linking to our site. If basically each of our site in our tiers would work as a pumper site (with many tiers under it) wouldn't it be much stronger?

    example:
    our tier 5 is weak because our tier 6 is just an gsa blast. but if we boosted that tier with another two tiers of blast, it would become a pumper tier, something like we use web20s on tier 1.
    However people still stop at tier 3.

    Your thoughts?
     
  2. Asif WILSON Khan

    Asif WILSON Khan Executive VIP Jr. VIP

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2012
    Messages:
    11,467
    Likes Received:
    32,390
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Fun Lovin' Criminal
    Location:
    London
    Home Page:
    You can build as many tiers as you want.
    The reason people don't is down to cost and the time needed to develop those tiers.
    Why spend time and money on a tier 6 when that time and money can be spent directly on your money site?
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 3
  3. Nargil

    Nargil Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

    Joined:
    May 10, 2012
    Messages:
    3,990
    Likes Received:
    2,566
    Location:
    Europe
    Home Page:
    Build 10 tiers of horseshit links for $200 or get one decent guest post for $50 or a PBN domain for $100. What's better? It's not even close.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 2
  4. ThopHayt

    ThopHayt Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2011
    Messages:
    6,366
    Likes Received:
    2,319
    The larger the tiers, the larger the potential footprint as well if you don't build the tiers well. And the bigger you build the more potential for getting sloppy.

    All that said: Yes the trickle down link juice effect should work with high tier counts. The farther out the less bang you'll get for your buck, but if you were able to treat your T4 the same way people usually treat your T1 then you would eventually end up with greater link juice. Then again you could also build a house out of toothpicks if you wanted.

    -ThopHayt
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  5. Aty

    Aty Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2011
    Messages:
    5,957
    Likes Received:
    4,068
    Home Page:
  6. karupoiss

    karupoiss Elite Member

    Joined:
    May 16, 2012
    Messages:
    1,797
    Likes Received:
    565
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Europe
    Home Page:
    Tierception
     
  7. The Data Scientist

    The Data Scientist Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2016
    Messages:
    213
    Likes Received:
    56
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Data Scientist, SEO & Entrepreneur
    Location:
    WWW
    The others are right. Why should you waste your time with higher tiers when you can build high quality links pointing directly to your site?
     
  8. aidenhera

    aidenhera Elite Member

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2016
    Messages:
    1,609
    Likes Received:
    282
    Gender:
    Male
    because these links are free
     
  9. The Data Scientist

    The Data Scientist Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2016
    Messages:
    213
    Likes Received:
    56
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Data Scientist, SEO & Entrepreneur
    Location:
    WWW
    free links = links without effect (if you don't have connections). It doesn't matter how many free links you tier up or what not. They won't have much impact.

    I like to compare SEO to cooking. High quality links are the real deal, your meal. Free links are your salt. I think you got it.
     
  10. Nargil

    Nargil Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

    Joined:
    May 10, 2012
    Messages:
    3,990
    Likes Received:
    2,566
    Location:
    Europe
    Home Page:
    If something is free, then I can assure you, it's shit. If the link is easy to get and produce = shit. You get what you pay for and especially in SEO.
     
  11. aidenhera

    aidenhera Elite Member

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2016
    Messages:
    1,609
    Likes Received:
    282
    Gender:
    Male
    of course yes, however gsa blast is free. if you connect couple tiers of "free bad links from gsa" the upper tier will grow in strength. You dont pay anything so
     
  12. The Data Scientist

    The Data Scientist Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2016
    Messages:
    213
    Likes Received:
    56
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Data Scientist, SEO & Entrepreneur
    Location:
    WWW
    It's clear to see that you don't have any SEO experience else you would know that your theory is crap. Free backlinks have so much less impact that you can't replace a single high quality link with any amount of shit links. In addition shit links will get your site penalized after you exceeded a certain volume (the higher the authority of your site the more shit links you can build without getting penalized).
     
  13. xReminisce

    xReminisce Regular Member

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2012
    Messages:
    433
    Likes Received:
    227
    Occupation:
    Spy
    Home Page:
    my thoughts exactly
    a complete shitty built 10 tiered layered is 10 tiers of potenial footprint for google to swat you like an annoying af fly buzzing in their ears.
    but a 10 tier built to the standard of Tier 1 would take so much fucking work you would just look elsewhere.

    Mighta swell build your own PBN at that point honestly.

    who the hell would GSA blast their money site or even their T1 or 2
    thats connecting straight back to you
    telling google to follow the bad links to your money site
     
  14. aidenhera

    aidenhera Elite Member

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2016
    Messages:
    1,609
    Likes Received:
    282
    Gender:
    Male
    link power != link price. not every link made by gsa has negative influence you know.
    public lists/gsa scraper = bad spammed links
    paid lists = better than public, have been using these since long and didnt get a single penalty pointing them at moneysite or tier1
    own lists = good, unused, you can filter only pages with big DA and no more than 10 outgoing links, or that dont have more than 7 spam flags (by moz) or w/e (put any metric here that doesnt matter but you dont have anything better)

    so hows free link worse than paid one lol. pbns on expired domains with good metrics yes but you can scrape domains with the same metrics from google that are still up and have no outgoing links and do have autoapprove blog comments.. its the same as PBN.

    Of course paid links are usually better but people who sell good links probably have unlimited amount of tiers linking to their pbns


    Also text in extended spintax and big amount of anchors should work flawless for many tiers.

    since every word has like 10 synonyms it will never be counted as duplicate content..
     
  15. Nargil

    Nargil Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

    Joined:
    May 10, 2012
    Messages:
    3,990
    Likes Received:
    2,566
    Location:
    Europe
    Home Page:
    I was taking you with a reserve, but after this I have to say you have no idea what you are talking about at all.

    Right, so it's enough for you to have a link that doesn't do anything negative? Well I would rather prefer a link that does something positive.

    Sure. For how long? Until they get discovered and spammed to hell. And your OBL 10 will turn to OBL 1000. And yes I have been using GSA for years and have 3 licenses, before you ask.

    I hope you are really joking. With PBN you have a niche relevant contextual link with minimal OBL. With blog comment you get devalued crap without any niche relevancy, that got devalued years ago.

    Amazing. And you pulled this info from where exactly? Because I can assure you, it's a bullshit. Anyone who knows at least a bit about PBNs and has some experience will never build any tiered links to PBNs. If you want to get them penalized, then this is the amazing way to do it.

    Yep, in 2012.

    Apparently, you haven't googled anything in a long time. Try to put in some keyword and you will see how even synonym results will get bolded. Magic right? Just because copyscape can't detect duplicate content, Google has 150 times more advanced algorithms and computing systems just to catch up with this. Spun content for any link juice value is long time dead. Especially an article spun to 1000 copies and spammed all over the Internet.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 2
  16. The Data Scientist

    The Data Scientist Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2016
    Messages:
    213
    Likes Received:
    56
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Data Scientist, SEO & Entrepreneur
    Location:
    WWW
    I think OP tries to spread misinformation. Close this thread please.
     
  17. ThopHayt

    ThopHayt Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2011
    Messages:
    6,366
    Likes Received:
    2,319
    Lets not forget that BACK IN THE DAY like 2010 people really did use tools like SeNuke to auto-build huge amounts of tiers. I myself remember building 5 and 6 tier structures regularly back then. The reason I got away with it back then was Google was essentially blind to content, insensitive to link velocity, and bad at picking up footprints in link patterns. If I were to do the exact same thing today it would be essentially me doing negative SEO on myself.

    I appreciate the out-of-the-box thinking... but planning a 10 tier structure today isn't a feasible task. And we're beating a dead horse here now.

    -ThopHayt
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 2
  18. The Data Scientist

    The Data Scientist Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2016
    Messages:
    213
    Likes Received:
    56
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Data Scientist, SEO & Entrepreneur
    Location:
    WWW
    Good post.
     
  19. mazs91

    mazs91 Registered Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2014
    Messages:
    96
    Likes Received:
    18
    @Nargil .. bro i am tired of liking your posts.. I was just like the OP few weeks back.. wasted good 1 year on GSA,,just to realize it does not work anymore..lools.. things are making more sense now. Thank you :)
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  20. Nargil

    Nargil Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

    Joined:
    May 10, 2012
    Messages:
    3,990
    Likes Received:
    2,566
    Location:
    Europe
    Home Page:
    I wouldn't say it doesn't work. It doesn't work for me, but there are people who swear by it. You may want to shoot a pm to @Shaunm. He knows his GSA stuff, so might be worth asking him about it.