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SPECIFIC details about Spotify setlists, fixing related artists, etc.

Discussion in 'Social Networking Sites' started by punkinhead, Jun 5, 2015.

  1. punkinhead

    punkinhead Regular Member

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    First off, I'm just trying to fix issues with my own artist account. I have no interest in selling such services, and am not in competition with anyone here for such services. That being said, info on this is extremely hard to come by, and I'm willing to share some painfully gleaned info if others can do the same. Spotify forums I've found don't even begin to drill down into the real details of how this works. It's the mentality of folks on here that's needed to work this out.

    Basic issue: My related artists are completely screwed. Ridiculously so. If a Spotify employee were TRYING to punk me, they couldn't do a better and more comically random job. They were all fine, then one day... they weren't. Spotify has shown no interest in fixing this, and I'm left with no choice but to tackle this career killer personally. I'd rather spend my time elsewhere, but it's a problem and needs fixing.

    So, basic idea is that related artists is set according to your music appearing on setlists with other artists. That much is public knowledge... but it's just not that simple.

    What I am working insanely hard to figure out is EXACTLY which of the following matter:

    1) How much of it is the setlists being PLAYED vs created? Is it only when a user plays through a setlist that it counts?

    2) Does it matter if the setlists are public or private? I have hundreds of setlists, but all private so it doesn't look too screwy to anyone stumbling upon them.

    3) Does it matter how those setlists are distributed among users? For instance, Is 100 setlists by one user treated the same as 100 users each having one setlist? Is either of these the same as 100 users each FOLLOWING a setlist from another user? Or, again... is all of this irrelevant and it just comes down to what is actually played? If so, does it matter whether it's one user playing over and over, or same number of setlist plays distributed amongst many users?

    4) If it is plays... how are partial plays treated? For instance, if I click to 3 seconds before end of each song, and it plays last few seconds, then switches to next song, then click to end of that one, etc... is that treated the same as if it played all the way through from song to song?

    5) Are activities from paid and free accounts (or trial period 99c for 3 months accts) treated equally in determining related artists?

    6) If I do need to run multiple simultaneous accts... should I be loading different proxies into each player? If so, does it matter what country they're from?

    7) Is there benefit, harm, or neither from repeating within setlist? In other words, if I have 5 of my songs, and 5 songs from artists I want to associate with, should I just make a setlist of those 10 tracks, or copy and paste them within the setlist 1000 times so setlist has 10k tracks? Does this help? Hurt? Neither?

    8) Does order within setlist matter? Is it the exact track on either side of mine that matters, or simply the fact that they appear on the same setlist?

    This isn't a hobby, and it's taking up a huge amount of my time, so I'm willing to share everything I've learned with anyone who can do the same... or if you know of info somewhere, please point me that direction as I've had very little luck finding anything by means other than spending half my day experimenting each day.
     
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    punkinhead Regular Member

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    I know it's a lot of q's, but I've been spending half of every day on this lately, and really trying to cut the fat from the process.

    What about Last FM? Does Spotify do their own separate calculation, and just include scrobbling to last fm as a side feature, or are the tallies connected?

    Did some experimenting, and last fm doesn't count the scrobble unless track played all the way through.
     
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    punkinhead Regular Member

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    I can't be the only one on here doing marketing on Spotify. Hell, Spotify is paying me 10x what iTunes is right now (and 30x what Youtube is). Other people must be working on the same issues.
     
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    gettinthere Regular Member

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    I wish I could help here but am even newer to this (music artist marketing) than you.

    Personally, I'm investigating how to promote a new artist (friend, not business) and Spotify seemed a good place to start.

    Just wanted to show some appreciation for your posts & thought process. If I stumble across anything I'll let ya know.