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Spamming: Big Companies Do It, So Why Aren't They Labelled 'Spammers'?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by zombieshucks, Sep 6, 2009.

  1. zombieshucks

    zombieshucks Registered Member

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    I just got another message from Vodafone (my carrier) for some shit ass caller/ringtone offer.

    On an average, I get 5-6 unsolicited calls from both Vodafone and from some major banks here for a credit card or savings account offer.

    I've got my number in the Do Not Call list, but nothing happens.

    THIS is spam. They interrupt me when I'm having my lunch, when I'm working, when I'm on a dinner date with my girlfriend.

    And yet, they aren't called spammers. Nobody calls the CEO of Bank of America a spammer, even though his company calls people up without their permission. Nobody calls the CEO of Vodafone a spammer even though his damn company sends me 10 messages a day for some shitty as hell offer.

    I used to feel a bit bad about spamming when I started black hat a couple of weeks back, but now I've reconciled with it. My spam is at least a WHOLE lot easier to ignore, nor does it interrupt you during your work/date/sleep. I'm emailing you, not calling you when you're sleeping to sell you a ringtone.

    Fuck Vodafone.
     
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  2. thesilent

    thesilent Supreme Member

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    Money and clout matters. Thats it.
     
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  3. Micallef

    Micallef Supreme Member

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    On my own linkspamming adventures, I find that a lot of major companies use linkspam to boost up their official websites. I even found some spam from the BBC.
     
  4. BlackHattin

    BlackHattin BANNED BANNED

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    Because if you call them spammers your get sued for slander,thats why companys dont lol.
     
  5. bigspade

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    Simple, they have lawyers and monies.
     
  6. zebrahat

    zebrahat Elite Member

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    Big Comps who spam = WH. Little guys who spam = BH. All Clear?
     
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  7. TheInternetHustler

    TheInternetHustler Regular Member

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    That is not real spam nor is it unsolicited. At some point you opted in. Whether it was in your vodaphone contract or banking agreement, there was something that said you agree to get calls. Is it annoying? yes. Could you have avoided it? probably not. Are those companies playing by the rules? Yup. Do you ask them to take you off their calling list when they call? Because that may work. If you got people to opt in for your emails, then you would be playing by the rules too...
     
  8. forgetyou

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    you must have double opted in at some point either with them or with one of their partners/suppliers.
     
  9. Spaceman

    Spaceman Regular Member

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    We get called spammers for spamming computer systems - and they dont get called spammers when they spam peoples homes.

    Go figure.

    I have a pet hate - TV adverts. I hate them - I mean when I watch a 2 hour film - 20-30 mins are adverts for crap I dont want. I feel they are spamming me.

    Now that we have hard drives in our satellite boxes - we pause for the first 30 mins of the film - then start watching and fast forward all the ads :)

    The big companies are trying to get round that now by putting the channel logo mixed in with the ads, so you think the film has started again - they do ANYTHING to spam us, they treat us like dogdirt.
     
  10. zombieshucks

    zombieshucks Registered Member

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    The f**kers in my country have even started running commercials in theaters (during the break). I picked up a big fight when I last went to a movie cause the break was like 20 minutes (?!??) with commercials all through.

    TV adverts I can stand cause that's how they make money. But ads in the theater (not movie trailers - those are fun - but regular ads) is a big no no. I don't think it says anywhere on my movie ticket that I will have to additionally watch some shit commercials in the theater.

    About unsolicited calls, I understand that there might have been some clause in the agreement that literally says "I will annoy you to death. Seriously.", which means that I "opted in".

    However, I also opted in the Do Not Call registry. Doesn't that count?

    This is basically like some idiot who keeps emailing you even after you unsubscribe from his list. That's spam.
     
  11. keinehabe

    keinehabe Supreme Member

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    it's not called spam :) when you signed the contract with the company most sure here it's a paragraph on their contract ... they can contact you with offer's from they or from their business partners :)
     
  12. Yicora

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    in my country if you don't want ads simply send a meesege [ no cost ]
     
  13. plouyd

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    Tell them that you'll consider their ringtone service when they at least try yours, and you get a lead out of the deal. Then hang up after they tell you tons of reasons why they cant; but before you hang up - tell them "ditto".
     
  14. zombieshucks

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    Its a recorded message, not even a real human being (which pisses me off even more!).
     
  15. mochidel

    mochidel Newbie

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    I also getting spammed by my cellphone carrier company, they send message (sms) directly to my phone offering ringtone etc, with no way to stop it.
     
  16. Rwh909r

    Rwh909r Newbie

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    If they are calling your house then that is not spam. Spam applies to the internet only.
    Now they good thing if you really want to pursue taking down big companies who spam online, then go a head and report them to Google as long as it is obvious spam.

    The reason why this could work is because Google is so obsessed with being number 1 and non bias and sticking to their own "Google Way" that if you threaten to expose any form of them being bias or giving "fixed" search results by not removing obvious spam from their search engines that has been reported to them, then they loose trust in the public's eyes, and Bing/Yahoo could be able to snatch up that loss in their traffic.
     
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    As for this you are right its a pain but they are also right because they normally are not the ones with anything to do with it. Its an old form of cell phone money making known as Premium Services or Non-Telecom Purchase.

    Those commercials you see on TV for daily jokes to your phone or download pictures of hot girls. By doing so you opt into that 3rd party deal which is piggybacked onto your bill. Check your bill for something like 3rd Party Charges or Premium Services and you can see that you normally pay anywhere from $0.99 or $4.99 to $9.99 a month if you subscribed. And its very difficult to cancel out because your cell provider a lot of times wont be allowed to say who the 3rd party is.
     
  18. Eco'o

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    They pay money for white list.So they send mail to inbox.

    "Money talks bullshit walks"
     
  19. shananiganzzz

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    it's the golden rule...good thing a human's ingenuity is worth more than all the gold
     
  20. MichiganManiac

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    They have commercials in the middle of movies? Where? I've never seen that.

    I don't think there has been an "Intermission" built into a blockbuster movie since the 1950's.