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Spam the crap out of a competitor website - how to automate?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO Tools' started by dirtysecret, Feb 26, 2009.

  1. dirtysecret

    dirtysecret Regular Member

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    I have a competitor who has blatantly copied a sales lead generation website that I own. Is there a program out there that will automatically visit his website and fill out the form with "gibberish" leads?

    This competitor is NOT a webmaster. They are an offline business. They must have hired someone to copy my shit. This former customer who used to pay a monthly service to use my website(s), decided that they'd rather rip it off, ignore my copyright, and build their own (one time fee - instead of monthly billing - and I'm expensive I'll admit - but were talking leads where one sales nets 1000s in profits).

    I'm thinking that if I can just sort of "DDOS-style" attack the site with so much gibberish data that the real leads (actual people who sign up at the site) are so few and far between, that they'll give up on their own site and come back to me.

    I have no interest in actually DDOS'ing the site because that's illegal and it'd be impossible not to deny service to the other webmasters hosted on the IP. Plus, I don't need a hosting company or anyone technical trying to figure this out. These guys who own this copy website are morons and wouldn't even know where to begin to try to track it. So as long as I attack only their sites, they'll be thumbs up their asses to do anything about it. ;)

    Ideas?

    I really need to pull this off; there's more on the line that just losing this customer.
    Most of my customers know each other. If the others see that someone has copied me and got away with it...it will only be a matter of time before others try to get brazen as well.

    If I let one "get out of line" - the others will think they can too. I showed these idiots (off line businesses) how to generate leads online. Now they want to copy my methods, copy my websites and cut me out of the loop. :(

    I won't go quietly. Can someone help and/or make suggestions?

    I'm hoping there's some sort of program that I could run from my comp while connected to proxies that will do what I'm suggesting. The website in question is a php site with a form that you fill out for your name, address, phone, etc, and it has a few check boxes, etc. In other words, I could tell the script exactly what to expect (how many fields and what type of input they require).
     
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    Ditto, I need some local competition destroyed also.
     
  3. Arthas

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    link me their site. i will gladly whip something up for you. i need to know though if there is any sort of protection in place against doing it.
     
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    There's many Macro programs (check downloads section) you can just set it up to perform the task, put it in an endless loop and go to bed.

    Edit: Yep fun4uoc beat me to it, Winautomation is one such macro program.
     
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  6. dirtysecret

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    Appreciate the offer, but it looks like what I need already exists. I have no idea if there's any sort of protection against it. It looks like their site uses the tools available here:
    relevantools.com

    When you go to click the "submit" button on their site, I can see from the status bar that it goes to: form.relevanttools.com/eis-cgi-bin/satellite

    I assume (if they're even relevantly competent - pun intended) that that the script has some way of telling if the submits are coming in at an "unnatural" nate (i.e. many submits per second) so I'd have to keep it throttled at an appropriate pace.

    If they check to make sure the submits aren't all coming from the same IP, I figure I'd use Cloakfish to use the Tor Proxy network to keep who am I hidden.
     
  7. dloader22

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    There are other options you also have, you can do a whois find their hosting provider, and complaint to the hosting provider directly about how they just copied your content. If they are gonna cost you $1k+ then you might as well get a lawyer on the phone have him write a quick "seize and detest letter" basically saying that if they don't take the content down in a certain time frame they will be sued in court for copyright infringment. In fact you can probably find a template online or write the letter yourself just make the from address look authentic and use lots of big words in the copy. I'm pretty sure you can even find a fake lawsuit template and hire someone off of craigslist that will deliver it to them and tell them "you've been served", and in lawsuit papers have your contact info so that they will call you to settle ;)
     
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    let us know your results!
     
  9. tonlilaz

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    have you tried to talk to the guy first? That's a better way to go...

    sounds to me like what you are doing is much worse. There are probably a hundred ways you could handle this professionally....instead of being so vindictive.



     
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    This is such a simple thing to code, you can even do it autoit (aka noobit) without any type of programming knowledge. Just have it auto fill forms on the page from a .txt or excell list that you compile (tons of free lists out there).
     
  11. dirtysecret

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    LOL. You should meet the guys in my industry (direct in-home sales). We are a very unscrupulous lot. Asking the guy nicely not to rip my shit off and instead continue paying me 600 clams/mo - - NOT going to work.

    600/mo is what I charge for the right to use my websites. My customers use direct mail post cards, fliers, newspaper ads, etc (offline ads) to promote my sites. People come to my sites. They fill out the forms - which are designed using internet marketing techniques, sales copy, etc - to maximize conversion rate.

    Then I give the customer the leads in their geographic area.

    Bottom line is this - he's seen that my idea (and my websites) work well --now he wants to keep doing it --but by instead driving traffic to a website that he OWNS rather than one that he's RENTING from me (licensing, leasing, whatever you want to call it)...

    You might be right...but I don't give a fuck. This is business. This is war.

    Let me tell you a little bit about the person/biz in question.

    We're talking about a business (my client) who makes millions of dollars a year in profit. They do this through in-home sales, but lately they can't get in the door anymore.

    They go door-to-door.
    They cold call.
    And people are sick of it and won't set appointments with them.

    They need leads to set appointments. they need appointments to close sales and make$$$.

    They don't have a fuckin clue about how to generate leads on the internet. That's where I come in. I put almost a year into developing my system - I showed them HOW to generate leads on the net. And more importantly I showed them WHY it works - why people don't trust cold-calling telemarketers and door-to-door salesmen - but they will check out a website if you advertise it.

    I've basically been more of a consultant than just a website provider.

    I've done all of this for them and now that I've helped them be successful ---- they want to cut me out of the loop?

    Fuck that.

    Wouldn't you be pissed?

    This is my goddamn livelyhood we're talking about here. I'll be damned if I'm gonna let some fuckin millionaire pad his pockets while taking the spoon out of my mouth.

    ON A SIDE NOTE: I just renewed his account for another month at $600. He receives stay of execution for now. Maybe this all a moot point. Maybe he already tried spending money sending traffic to his own site - and saw that it was not as good at conversion (capturing leads) as my site.

    I hope that's the case.
     
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    Packet sniff what your sending the server
    Make a simple C program that sends the packet repeatedly
     
  13. Sardosa

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    Just post mo*fo* to 500,000 guestbooks with his direct link. the provider will kick him off
    or simply spam
     
  14. Longover

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    Send him a snail mail letter urging him to stop or you will take some non-specific action. It might work because a lot of marketers hide behind the anonymity of the internet.
     
  15. Zoolu

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    I don't know what the legal side of things in your situation are but you "could" send him a cease and desist letter and then turn up the heat if he ignores it. I say 'could' because I don't kow if you have a contract with the guy niether am I a lawyer so I have no clue beyond what I've just said.
     
  16. tonlilaz

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    i always think the revenge rountine will get you in more trouble than it's worth. if this is business as you say, then you should have your lawyer's name and # in your rolledex....

    there are always legal channels you can go through, and like i said, revenge isn't very professional...which leads me to believe that you are not very professional. I personally would not want to work with vindictive a person like you.

    whether you ever decide to attack another guy's site is up to you, but it sounds to me as if this millionaire DOES have the $$ to go after you if you attack his site.

    i personally would like to see an end to these revenge request threads...this isn't what this site is all about, imo. if you want to know how to hack somebody's site, or ddos a site ......then go to Google...hell, go to youtube, there are tons of videos out there that will show you how to do it,




     
  17. ellie

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    I quite enjoy reading the comments, especially from people who actively detest these types of threads, yet spend alot of time in them adding in their 2 cents... lol. It's like arguing about how black that black really is.

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    I personally believe if the law can't touch them, then take the gloves off. However a good legal strategy can often knock them on their asses. If however the law looks away from what they are doing (and there's a few practices many business can avoid legal intervention) then turn to the dark side of the force.

    Check out Ubots (posted in the downloads section here) for your answer ;)