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Some one copied my entired website..

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by a0rta, Oct 6, 2008.

  1. a0rta

    a0rta Regular Member

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    Someone copied my entire website (my WH business). Is there anyway to get it off Internet? As it is now I'm facing duplicate content penalties and also risking that they are trying to get our clients to buy form them instead and not deliver any services, which will hurt my business. This is kind of serious since it's what I am making my living from, it's what putting food on my families table and also on my employees table.

    What is there to do?? :eek:
     
  2. HaRRo

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    Whats the competitors site :D If you want ill run a nice xrumer campaign lol
     
  3. snowwhite

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    You WONT be penalize by duplicate content, dont be paranoid.
    Noone has the right to copy your site and so exercise your legal right, contact that dumbass and tell him the legalities or do some scare tactic. If you can talk to him and ask him nicely, it would be better. If he doesnt listen and has no plans of taking his site down, FUCK HIM UP. Get his site banned or fuck up his off-site seo.
     
  4. PauloPT

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    Hey a0rta, olá from Portugal.

    I don't think Google is penalizing you. If your content was original in the first place, this means your pseudo competitor is copying things from you, meaning that a duplicate penalty, if any, will fall upon them.

    If you have a list of your clients' email, send them a detailed letter (not too boring) explaining that some other website is impersonating your business and encourage them to report it to whatever authority you can think of.
     
  5. catman08

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    you could report this guy to his hostguys or registrar. Use domaintools.com to find out all the information.

    Try to shut him down ... or do some BH things with his domain ... so that he gets banned from the SEs.

    you could list his domain at a link broker .. then report his domain to google by showing he purchased a link to boost his ranking and fake link juicy. ;)
     
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  6. robmiller99

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    How do you copy a site? Is there software to clone a site or wot?
     
  7. Essential Clix

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    You could file a DMCA notice against them:

    http://www.google.com/dmca.html

    Note that you can send on to the person's web host, which usually ends with their site going offline...
     
  8. a0rta

    a0rta Regular Member

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    I will get back to you on Xrumer Harro ;)

    But I want to digg a little bit and find out what this guy is intending to make money on. If he got other sites etc etc so I can hurt some of his business too.

    ;) And just for a day or two I gave the advice to another forum member to not try to get a competitor kicked out form the search engines due to that it hurts too much if taking their possibility to make money away. Guess it doesn't count this time. Like he was my competitor anyway?? :D :D

    First I need to figure out if they are trying to scam our clients like selling services and products imposting to be my company.

    I am running a travel agency and if someone have bought tickets form the they will most likely not notice that they have bought crap until they are on the airport for checking in. That's cruel for them who are expecting some nice day's in the sun... That wouldn't be my problem, except that it might hurt my company name and reputition. It might hit back on us so I need at least to take some dumps of the site and collect some registrar info etc so I can keep my back free if things goes wrong and if people start to fill lawsuits against me.

    When that is done I will for sure get to him. In other words.. I will go home and start hunting him down and most likely tomorrow I have what I need to start taking down his business.
     
  9. premiumsource

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    Use do*main*tools.c0m to gather a nice list of his sites and then send him an email and tell him to remove the duplicate site or else you will pull a plug on all of his sites, which Harro could do for you with xrumer:D
     
  10. agj32mrgibbits

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    Send his host and registrant an email and send the guy an email telling him you contacted his host and registrant. Tell him if he does not take down the site all of his sites will be taken down and give him a list of all his sites. Tell him you will be filing a DMCA also.

    That should scare him pretty bad.
     
  11. mazemiami

    mazemiami BANNED BANNED

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    I say you do some Burn Notice shit and break into the data center were his server is housed find it and pee on it.. don't forget to drink a lot of water before you go ninja on his ass
     
  12. gonzomcribbinz

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    Dude, all you have to do is contact the host and they'll take it down 99 times out of 100. As far as dupe content penalty is concerned, you only have to be worried if his site is considered more authoritative than yours. Contrary to what seems like popular belief here, the first one to have the content isn't necessarily the one that will win out - it's the site that's got the track record of being a more valuable resource to searchers in Google's eyes. I can't speculate on how Yahoo and/or MSN react because, well...I rarely pay attention to them. But I am certain that the more authoritative site wins out over the original displayer of content.
     
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    Be careful where you wiz, you do not want to hose the offercloak server. :tee:
     
  14. bhnoobz

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    Fill out a template DMCA notice, send it certified mail to the host. Good times will ensue.

    This one asshat company in canada decided to name their shitty software the same as mine.. A few morons have emailed me asking why I sell my software cheaper on another site.. :( So I filed a complaint with Clickbank, since clickbank is US based company ;) Sadly their webhosting is in Canadia , so it's pointless to DMCA them. :( Oh well, If they can't process through clickbank hopefully they'll fuck off and change the name. Bastards.
     
  15. a0rta

    a0rta Regular Member

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    But to just send a complaint isn't directly my way of having fun :(

    The server is also located in Madrid, Spain so I doubt they understand English or even care.

    Not meaning to be disrespectful to Spanish people cause some do understand English perfectly but you find most of them on major tourist destinations and in the rest of the country they seems to not handle it so well (with some exceptions)...

    Hehe.. I also wouldn't surprise me if the one copying my site is hanging around here so I better tell the one that I wouldn't hesitate to go for Harros offer if necessary. That should scare anyone in their right sense to take the site down asp.

    - well, enough joking.

    I'm not so worried about duplicate content penalties as if some scammers setup a copy site, running some ad campaigns to drive traffic to it, selling a lot of tickets and then when all the people who have bought their Christmas trips get stopped on the airport due to false tickets they will all turn against me and my company thinking that we sold the ticket to them and that we have scammed them.

    I haven't been into the scammer market myself and won?t go there either. I am not 100% but I do think that they probably would use a landing page with redirect to not spill the domain name too open in the ad in case the copied company is keeping an eye on them. Also I wouldn't go for Google but rather other PPC or maybe even classified ads.

    E-tickets is far too easy to copy and there have been cases like this already. Actually... E-tickets most often only contain a ticket number and the rest of the document is pretty much up to the travel agent to create as they desire...

    And there I have probably given away one perfect big money scamming method for free. Just stay out of my domain and I sure hope mod ban any BHW member going into this field cause that's definitely not BH. That's just plan dumb and stupid!

    At the moment there's no indication of anyone trying to use this site for scamming but on another hand I don't know when they did put my copied content online and if they are planning to do something.

    Last year there was a competitor to me who got into that shit and I don't wish any of my competitors to end up there (well.. Maybe just one or two of them ;)) and I certainly don't want to end up there myself.

    But it can pretty much be anything. Someone who liked the layout, copied the site to remake it, even though I have hard to think that one would go live with it then, or it might be some script kiddies not knowing how to work with their ddl scraper scripts.

    What I'm not getting into my head is why ever anyone would want to copy a whole site if not having means to monetize with it?! There are no ads, not even the mail form is working as it seems like so they can't try to steal any clients from me with that site. It got some strange errors generated in the content (it's not due to the Swedish language but rather a scraper error or some keyword settings that have been configured correctly).

    But as I said... I don't know if they are planning anything that will come and I for sure do have better things to do before Christmas then to handle a couple of hundreds of desperate people who wasn?t allowed to check-in on the airport due to false tickets.

    If it was just a simple blog of mine that had been copied I wouldn?t care so much. Sure I would be pissed off for some hour or so, and maybe find a way to get even. But this time it'ss my main living that someone is messing with. It's what feeding my family and the family of my employees.




    ?? Mazemiami.. I'm certaineatly not that type of man who goes ninja on someones ass!! :D



    Anyway... Even if it's the more booring ways out I should probably fill a complaint, get over it and move on making some money instead.

    Uless it can't be solved the parlamentaric way, I have to find other ways to handle it...
     
  16. yuppy

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    Copywrite laws should win this for you. If I were you i would contact a lawyer.
     
  17. a0rta

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    The lawyer part only works if they have money, if they have registered the domain with their true name so one can reach them, if they can get dragged to court in Sweden. I don't think the copyright law will do so much for me here. It would be different if I had a major moviecompany and could show that thousends of people was stealing my copyrighted material. Or maybe not even though. TPB is kicking the copyright industry pretty hard in the but and they haven't been thrown in jail yet. ;)

    Still Lawyers do eat money for breakfast, lunch and dinner and they want to get paid even if they don't get the result wanted. I think I could find better use for that money by spending them online instead.

    But I can probably state the copyright issues when/if filling a complaint to the host of the copy cat.
     
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  18. sinewave

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    You really should try the DMCA route first. If the host / registrar does cooperate, it would be both 1) the most effective, and 2) the path of least resistance. PLUS, you don't need legal representation to file this document, it's the de facto first step in these issues and often the offending site is down within an hour or so.

    Most countries cooperate with international copyright laws.

    If that doesn't work, have HaRRo kick his ass!

    Best of luck with this, and I do hope your business is not adversely impacted.
     
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    Yes I will try that... And if that doesn't work with a complaint to the host / registrar I will se what else I can do.
     
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    Send them a fucking letter written by an advocate.