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Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by rodvan, Sep 7, 2016.

  1. rodvan

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    Hello guys..
    I have been coding a email grabber for all websites, also Lead grabber for Facebook, Twitter, Linkedin, Youtube, Instagram, Yellowpages, Gumtree, etc.
    It will grab standard stuff like name, address, description, emails and stuff.

    There is also this big feature for it, An Inbox mailer using API's like Mandrill, Mailgun, Amazon SES and also SMTP for any other email. It will mass send emails using one or multiple mailing configurations and proxys. So its technically an Inbox mailer.

    My question is:
    Is this ok with BHW? I mean, I am going to buy a BST and publish it, but Only will limit for a certain number of subscribers (it will be a yearly subscription) so we can save the method for only about 250 users and not getting it flooded and patched.

    What do you all think? It is 60% complete but before continuing I would like to know the opinion of the BHW users.
    Thanks in advance.
     
  2. jazzc

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    The hard part in mailing isn't sending it, it's hitting Inbox. The real value of a tool would be to make sure of that. So unless you're taking care of everything that needs to be taken cared of for hitting inbox (things like IP reputation, warming of the mail account etc etc etc), you are going to be missing the killer feature.
     
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    But what if it works at least 50% of the emailing? I remember a while ago I bought a shitty software called MailMascot, I spent $350 USD and it was useless.
     
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    How would you know if it's 50% or 0.5% before actually using it? Since (I assume) the customer will be providing their own sending sources (the ones you mentioned), the burden is up to them. In other words, if I understood correctly what you are trying to build, you are just providing a tool to send emails and that's that. If that's true, then your tool does nothing to help hit inbox. It's what your clients will set up. If a client has good IPs, warmed up emails etc etc your program will work fine. If the client does not, your program will not be sending mails to the inbox.

    There are semi-private solutions that take care of all the things I mentioned (and cost a ton), just so you know what to aim for. I'm not saying you should not build your tool, I'm just laying down to you what you are actually building ;)

    Edit: skipped a "not" that changed the meaning
     
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    This is so wrong on so many levels. What makes you think you can use sendgrid, mailchimp, amazon ses api to send unsolicited emails and not get canned? It is extremely obvious you have no experience selling emails through these services. Trust me, google sendgrid and mailchimp to see how many people that weren't sending that much mail got canned and told to take their service some where else. Your bot that will be scraping leads from the internet and then sending emails will be useless with these services.

    Like @jazzc said, the real value is in the IP's you use for mailing. Without that , your mailing portion is not really valuable. The scraping part though is extremely valuable though, and I would just focus more on that though.
     
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    Wow, I didnt know about how complicated it can get, I would then not mention anything about Inbox and just create the tool with bunch of options so user configure and set up themselves. I really havent used a mass mailing before or anything like that, But I trust that if someone has a bunch of free mailgun accounts they can do this, a mass sender using different accounts and IPs to rotate the sending.
     
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    Thanks man, I will then not focus on selling as mass inbox, but what do you think if users can create like 1,000 accounts for Mailgun and rotate them using a proxy pool and sending using cURL?
     
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    I suppose it depends if it will work or not, I don't have enough experience in mailing to answer you.
     
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    I think that with a proper proxy pool, setup and feature to mass account creator and verification for free Email Sending apps, that would be possible.
    But independent of that feature.

    What sites would be cool to scrape? Also the yearly subscription is because most of the sites encrypt or monthly change parameters on their DOM, so I will have to update constantly, It cannot be a product that sells for a Lifetime membership, wont be profitable if I only want to sell limited memberships.