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Socialized medicine in America, well, not actually socialized.

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by fatjack'sblackhat, Aug 4, 2009.

  1. fatjack'sblackhat

    fatjack'sblackhat Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Though this may go against some people?s opinions, I am arguing in favor of a socialized medicine system. Well, not actually socialized medicine as much as a health care fix, which is what is being proposed by the government now.
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    I am not doing this because I agree with helping out people that don?t want to do anything with their lives. That?s not it at all. I favor the idea of a fix to our health care system in which everyone can get the care they need without going bankrupt from high premiums because Americans are going to need all the help they can get in the very near future if things continue to uncoil the way they have been. With the economy the way it is, not many people can afford health insurance.

    It is estimated: ?Nearly 46 million Americans, or 18 percent of the population under the age of 65, were without health insurance in 2007?
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    . When we peek over at Wall Street we see indications that these troubling times are worsening. Recently our market took a pretty big hit that surely made people lose fortunes in a single day:


    ?The Dow Jones industrial average fell 733 points, or 7.9%, to 8578. Gloomy investors, shifting focus from the ongoing government financial rescue effort, grew dejected that the economy is in for a significant downturn and logged the biggest one-day percentage decline in the Dow since 1987.
    Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke cautioned in a speech that even if markets stabilize, a "broader economic recovery will not happen right away."
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    That news happened in late October of 2008. In December of 2008 the government declared a recession: ?The National Bureau of Economic Research said Monday that the U.S. has been in a recession since December 2007, making official what most Americans have already believed about the state of the economy .?
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    It?s sort of strange to see the government declaring a recession a few weeks after one of Wall-Street?s biggest dip in decades but that?s beside the point.


    According to our Capital?s website, Obama signed ? The Children?s Health Re-organization act, which provides quality health care to 11 million kids ? 4 million who were previously uninsured.? (tag) Already America is changing, and it is changing for the greater good. Without adequate health care during these harsh times the United States faces today, Americans will not only be poor, but sick as well. And what is a nation that is poor and sick but a third world nation?
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    I was wondering, what do you guys think about this whole issue? I see a lot of pros to it but I have heard some cons. I want to know what you guys think of it and maybe I can develop a more well-rounded opinion of the matter.
     
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    We don't do politics here there is enough of that on the Internet already. That being said I do have some opinions on this crap...
     
  3. fatjack'sblackhat

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    Lol, okay, I was just curious what people thought. I am kind of playing devil's advocate because I really don't understand this issue fully. I see good sides and I see bad sides. Both sides have pretty strong arguments but I think an argument that favors a healthcare reform wins because we are about to hit some tough times here in America whether you like it or not. I am no economic major, but it looks pretty bad, they way things have been unfolding that is..
     
  4. jkr500

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    This is all bs and in the end we will end up like Russia where everybody will drink vodka all day long. You know vodka is the best medicine. lol
     
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  6. The Scarlet Pimp

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    certain basic things should be covered by socialized medicine. but i'd hate to get sick in america and not have some coverage.