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So your DMR'ing your traffic, then your AM asks why? What do YOU say?

Discussion in 'CPA' started by Alex Brooks, Oct 22, 2009.

  1. Alex Brooks

    Alex Brooks BANNED BANNED

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    When running blackhat campigns, even whitehat campigns, many people choose to blank their traffic source, although as this is blackhatworld, I'm going to assume people DMR the traffic because they are running blackhat campigns and if caught, they would be banned, so it's quite a high risk.

    When you start earning high amounts of money daily/weekly/monthly on a single CPA network, with 100% blank traffic, they do tend to ask you WHY it is blank and obviously if you have no answer, it sounds a bit fishy, your going though the hassle of DMR'ing, but you don't know why? You do know why, it's because it's a blackhat campign.

    I've had a few of my network managers in previous networks call me regrading this, I've just simply told them the following, I am blanking my traffic sources because with other previous CPA networks, which I'd rather not name, they have traced my traffic source and copied what I am doing to promote offers, which caused my earnings to drop, as a secruity measure, I now blank all of my traffic sources to preven this from happening again.

    Now honestly, the AM can't really say much back to that, it's totally fair, you don't HAVE to show them where the traffic is coming from, if it comes to the point where they are FORCING you to tell them, simply explain your not willing to show your traffic source, stop promoting their offers and find another CPA network.

    If they do say they want to see the traffic source, after you've explained, just explain the above, if your traffic is converting well and your making them money, they are not going to want to loose you, because your making them money as well, just get your money and leave.

    Just my 2 cents.
     
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  2. zSpyderx

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    Exactly how it should of been said. Good post Alex
     
  3. kbobotoor

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    Awesome tip, thank you!

    Any posts around on this 'blanking traffic'?
     
  4. twoj04

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    Just search DMR or Double Meta Refresh
     
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    Do a search on "double meta refresh" that should take explain to you what you need to know.

    I appreciate the author for making this thread, as it'll clear up a lot of things for noobs. As for the response, you really don't need to make such a long and canned reply to your AM. Everyone in the industry knows that there's shady people who will steal your profitable keywords/campaigns as soon as they get a chance, so if you say it's because you don't want to reveal your profiting campaigns you should be good. If they try to dig deeper ask them why do they want to know such information? They don't need to know ANYTHING about your landing pages at all, this is something I would never show them, regardless of black or white hat marketing methods.

    You have the right to protect your profitable campaigns from them, keep that in mind. Don't be afraid if they try to bully you, if anything they know/suspect that you're doing black hat already or they're trying to steal your information for themselves.
     
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    josephyee Newbie

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    good post, the tip is awesome
     
  7. zen19

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    This is really solid advice - if you are not already handling things this way, you should.
     
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    Yes, I also think that blanking the traffic with DMR and then tell this to the AM is quite fair, although I have always wanted to know whether Blanking or Faking the referer is better.
    If you blank it and do what OP said, in most cases you'll be fine.
    What if you fake it and the AM somehow manages to see through your blackhat(referer faking) methods? Are they going to ban you?
    If they find out, what are you supposed to tell them?
     
  9. Alex Brooks

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    The idea of faking traffic, is you send users to http://website.com/index.php?link=1 which goes to http://offer.com - But as the ?link=1 part speicfys the link, the referal of the is http://website.com/index.php - Then on http://website.com/index.php you just create a simple web blog related to the offer, then stick a couple of banners of the offer on the website, so it LOOKS like people are clicking on the banners, I'd say they are about the same, but with faking, you've got a very small chance of getting a phonecall.

    But, say your getting 1000 clicks per day, they check the traffic source, do some basic SEO research, not EVERYONE will click, infact your lucky to get %1 click ratio, so for 1,000 clicks, your looking at having 100k hits a day, if a website is getting 100k page views/per day, then you'll have better then PR0 and quite a high alexa ranking.

    Oh sorry, I wouldn't suggest using banners, as some companies log the banner impresstions, so if your getting 1000's of clicks and only 100's of impresstions, they'll be able to tell, use text-links unless you do infact have a decent white hat website.

    Probably the best way to avoid being banned, is having a whitehat blog, running a whitehat campign on a offer, but also running a blackhat campign on the same offer, so the leads are mixed and you've got a very low chance of being banned.

    Oh and when you DMR, make sure the script you are using has a "if not blanked" feature, I posted a 100% safe DMR script here:
    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/black-hat-seo/125127-how-dmr-100-safe.html

    It doesn't work with Google Chrome, I haven't properly tested it, but I know for a fact, chrome doesn't work with that script, firefox does though.
     
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  10. zen19

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    Alex you are on fire today.

    I'd suggest that users run their offers through prosper202 instead of using WH redirect sites. You are 100% that it looks fishy that a crappy blog with nothing but free cpa offers is getting 100k uniques a day.

    p202 eliminates the need to explain how much traffic the WH site receives.
     
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    So from what I was able to understand, Blanking the referer via DMR is better than Faking it right? At least, with Blanking you also have an explanation and if you keep your earnings under the radar, you'll never be asked or even if you are, your answers will be accepted by the AM. And thnx for your other thread with the 100% safe DMR script. Too bad it doesn't work on google chrome does it work on Internet Explorer besides Firefox? Is there any other scripts that work with all browsers that Blank the referer via DMR and also include the "if blank->offer, if not->other website" script?
    Sorry, but I don't know a thing about PHP programming!
     
  12. Alex Brooks

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    Thanks for sharing that, never heard of it before myself.
    http://prosper.tracking202.com/apps/

    I prefer to blank, it's easier for newbies, so I'd suggest going with that, you could look into http://prosper.tracking202.com/apps - Which from what I can tell within 30 seconds of viewing the website, you set it up on a hosting account, even a free hosting account would work (needs php and mysql) - Then you set up your links there, then it gives you a link which your meant to send PPC traffic to, but you don't have to, just use the link and it looks like from the AM's point of view, the traffic is coming from your prosper website and is getting there from PPC.

    I think it would work on IE, as most of the internet use firefox/IE, should be fine. I don't know about any scripts which work on all browsers, faking would work on all browsers, so would propser. :)
     
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    p202 is the buisness. Check out the spy view (jizz in my pants moment when i first saw that).

    I recommend using two installs for a quad dmr/cloak. I also have a feeling that you could install it on an SSL server for the ultimate cloak.
     
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  14. Alex Brooks

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    I'm definitly going to buy a domain + get this installed when I get back into CPA, need to figure out a way to start posting again, might just outsource it, hmmm.

    So the spy view, it allows you to track what people do AFTER they have clicked the advert? So you KNOW if they fill in the advert? So you can track how much networks/advertisers are shaving? Or have I just got the complete wrong idea? :p
     
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    Quick tip for the hosting of p202 and then im done with the derail.

    p202 needs its own domain name, you cant put it in a directory. If you send more than 5 clicks a minute, I wouldnt recommend a free hosting account - get a proper paid one for reliability.
     
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    Ah, so free hosting wouldn't be the best idea, I'll have to test it out with hostgator hosting, even though I've got a couple of websites under 1 hostgator account, should be fine as these websites get hardly any traffic.
     
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    Hostgator have a strange mysql setup. They have a walkthrough especially for their hosting to install p202. You need to replace a couple of files.

    On regular hosting its a 5 minute install.
     
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    Thanks for the reminder of p202. Was going to set that up across all of my domains a month or so back and completely forgot about it.
    Have some spare time today so I am finally getting around to it :sombrero:

    How does p202 work with CJ? I know they are anal about DMR traffic.
     
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    Ahh, okay thanks for telling me, that'll save me ages of sitting here like "Hmm, why teh fuck won't it work!" :p
     
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    Alex/Zen question for you.

    I am currently running a small high converting email campaign. Ive done all of the necessary precautions; DMR + Quad, Fake traffic to a blog etc.

    So say im running a campaign and I have about 1,200 banner impressions for the day, but I have 7 clicks, and 4 converts... 57.14% conversion.... Does the fact that I have a high number of impressions cancel out my Click/Convert ratio? Or do I have something to worry about?

    -Will