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So what do you think BHW? Should college be tuition-free?

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  1. toughtrasher

    toughtrasher Senior Member

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    Just gauging what you all think on this subject. Keep it civil please
     
  2. toml3030

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    I think entry level college courses should be free but not upper class or graduate classes. We don't need "professional students" who stay in school until they're 50 because it's free.
     
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    Yes there should be some fees . I know a lot of people who studied in highly subsidized college with me only to sit idle because they had no obligation to find a job. At the same time fees should not be so high , the student is working 12 hours just to pay off debt .
     
  4. Sherbert Hoover

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    Community college, yes.
    Four-year institutions, no.
    Graduate-level institutions, absolutely not.
    Medical schools, law schools, etc, fuck no.

    If all levels were free, people would be flooding into those markets. It would be far more difficult for admissions to make solid, research-driven decisions on who to accept and who not to accept. Morons and cheaters will fall through the cracks. Next thing you know, Dr. Free College fucks up your MRI and forgets to ask if you have any metal in your body, and that shrapnel wound from Iraq shifts a millimeter to the right and kills you.

    Basic shit should be free, including things such as PERSONAL FINANCE, HOW TO PAY YOUR TAXES, UNDERSTANDING MENTAL ILLNESS, and GETTING A JOB 101. Everything else thereafter, no way. I shouldn't have to pay for Joe Schmo to struggle through an upper level class on Forestry so he can jerk off on a redwood every Tuesday, no matter how much I want to see Bernie in the Oval.
     
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    Free College just means higher taxes, its not free.
     
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    You do realize this happens even with people who pay for the schooling right?
     
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    Hell no. Why? Because I got crazy ass loans and had to work at a steakhouse and smile my way through the day, damn near full time. while in school full time, in order to afford my schooling and housing and I'm STILL in 5 digit debt....and if I gotta do it, so do all those little ungrateful fuckers.
     
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  8. Sherbert Hoover

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    I sure do. And it will happen even more with more people attempting to take advantage of free schooling.

    When there is a dollar amount attached to it, the urge to succeed is heightened.
     
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    In the UK I am absolutely sick of students thinking they are owed something for going to UNI. Want a degree, get a job and pay it yourself.
     
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    Education should be entirely free. Making education cost something damages society a lot.

    Even european countries don't value education enough yet. Not only when it comes to free education, but also how you're educated...

    Furthermore, I think constant education should be mandatory for everyone. It shouldn't end at school... this is without a doubt not enough.

    The planet is basically a feast of morons. Educated people are so rare, it makes me sad.

    I also think we should completely re-evaluate how teaching is done... it shouldn't be like in politics, where change takes so long that most people are dead before seeing it.... it should be in constant change, always testing and re-evaluating to find the most efficient ways and further improve upon them.

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    You mean free for the dossers, while other people go to work to pay for them to laze about?

    The irony in the UK is, when the students have their little tantrums over having to pay for "their" education, they prove they are not worth paying for by acting like the uneducated morons they are.
     
  12. rob1977

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    I don't think education should be free.

    I don't want to be paying for somebody to do a doss course and not support the economy with their qualification.

    I do think we should incentive certain sectors where we really need those skills. doctors, engineers, etc should be free because they will return that to the economy a hundredfold (exaggeration but you get what I mean).
     
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    On a community college level, yes. Getting a certification or an associates, yes.

    A uni? That's when student loans, pell grants, etc should kick in. Having students in debt for $30k just for an associates degree is absurd and floods the workplace with graduates thinking they know more than they do with ZERO field experience.
     
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    It should be free for people with above average intelligence. This would require an IQ test as almost everybody considers themselves as above average intelligence (Illusory superiority)
    This would allow poorer students who have the brains but not the finances to study, otherwise we would have a situation where only the rich could afford further education.
    Everybody else would have to pay.

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    You act like people who want free college don't work hard. There are plenty of people working 40 hours a week who still can't afford college. People like you bother me.
     
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    People like you bother me. People who think people should be forced to pay for random people to do what they want.

    I am here to support myself and my family. Not every parasite that wants a piece of my money or work.

    Secondly, there is a very large amount of people who go to UNI simply to doss about.
     
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    I believe if you want schooling it has to be paid for by somebody.

    I don't mind smaller schools or community colleges giving free grade, but when it comes to the entire package free may end up costing you more because of tax rate or other increases later down the road.
     
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    I think something should be done about the price of college, yes. Especially University.

    However, making it free would do nothing but cause people who probably don't REALLY want it, to go to college and therefore waste even more tax dollars. I think a PERCENTAGE of it should be free, and your percentage can go up or down depending on your GPA, community service hours, etc. And once you drop below a certain GPA, you can pay for the shit yourself.
     
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  19. neu009

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    Well , completely free as in a lot of European countries is one extreme but then looking at the US where even a so-called non-profit (I think snhu) charges "only" like 10k or so less than other places and realistically who know snhu (same is true for other places but then they should be cheaper).
    Charging for lincoln college and other similar places is just crazy as they teach crap anyways and people will be in debt forever.

    Now,if you state student loans then keep in mind t hat someone has to pay for the very low-interest rates, the tons of people that default on their loans etc. In the end it may look like a different model but taken all factors into consideration it may still cost taxpayers a ton.

    There may be the right approach where at least certain fees are charged to ensure people care about it. As we all know something that costs $0 will get exploited, but even at $1 a lot of people will not bother if they are not interested (yes extreme example but you get the point
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    There are literally hundreds of thousands of people living off pell grants right now who will never get a degree. They're using it as a form of welfare rather than increasing their long term earning power. Financing this sort of stuff is total waste of money.
     
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