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So is my Bro in Laws Boss getting scammed?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Getwhatchuwant, Oct 26, 2011.

  1. Getwhatchuwant

    Getwhatchuwant Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    brief background..My bro in law is an independant contractor and we started talking a bit about SEO. He told me that one of his customers uses a guy and pays him $300-$600 p month and that he has done a good job since they got the page from the 80 something position up to 30 something for a KW with about 4000 exact local searches p month.

    So I asked him for the url and using SEO Quake, Majestic SEO, ahrefs dot com, Traffic Travis Pro, Yahoo Site Exploerer as well as "intitle" and "inurl" searches on google this is what I got.

    About 18k intitle sites
    about 15k inurl sites
    TT rated the KW relatively Easy

    His bosses page 1 year old PR 0 5 referring domains 30 Backlinks
    The #1 page in that niche 2 years old, PR 2 about 300 Backlinks from 110 or so referring Domains, 1 of which is .edu

    On Page HTML was pretty good, they overused the H1 tag a bit, I think they used it 4 or 5 times on the homepage.

    NO Facebook
    NO Twitter
    NO Linkedin

    Seached "sitenamedotcom" found no articles or anything that would lead me to believe there was much SEO done at all.

    When I checked ahrefs dot com they are probably page 9 or 10 for the term they want in google and it is YAHOO where they had moved up a bit, not google..

    Anyway I did not even begin to check to see if they had bookmarks or RSS feeds as I was not even sure how.. if there is a free tool for this please let me know.

    I am pretty sure that his client is getting ripped off even though he is only paying $300=$600 per month...what do you think?

    Also what other things do you check (and how) in relation to a sites SEO health?

    Thanks a bunch! I know you guys will give me the answers I need.
     
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  2. themidiman

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    How long have they been doing SEO for him?
    Many small time SEO's will drag a campaign out as long as a customer is happy.
    I personally try to rank as fast as possible in order to show the value in my service.

    If they have been doing SEO for a couple months, and only created less than 30 BL's,
    yeah, I would say move on to another SEO provider.
    With a KW like that, you should be able to move it to the second page with little effort.
     
  3. Getwhatchuwant

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    I agree, I am tempted to register a domain and rank for the term myself..I can either then flip the site or offer to do SEO for him....what do you think?

    BTW are there any other free tools you can recommend?
     
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    Rank for it then offer to sell it to them at 10x the monthly of what the "SEO" charges them.
     
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    Sounds like it....

    That's the shitty part about SEO, its turned into a snake oil industry....

    Too many fly by night SEO specialists that don't know the first thing about SEO, bullshitting there way through the whole thing. At the end of the day, the clients get burned and then have a bad taste in their mouth from the entire experience.

    The very least your brother in law could do is outsource work to someone on here, or even purchase a few linkbuilding services. Especially since he's gouging this guy with $600/mo. in fees.
     
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    No no, his brother in law isn't doing anything. He just heard about this guy THROUGH his brother in law. He and his brother in law have no connection to the SEO services, except their knowledge of it taking place.

    Listen, if a client is happy, that is what matters. I don't care if you rank someone on page 3 of Ask Jeeves for a 6 word phrase. If your client is happy, then you are a hell of a salesman. If you are making false promises, we have a problem, but if everyone is happy, I could care less.

    So no, the guy isn't getting scammed really, but it would be interesting to know what kind of proof he is sending his clients that he is doing any work at all. Maybe he is ranking for other keywords that weren't being discussed. Could he get a bigger bang for his buck? Probably. But I have some new clients recently who specifically asked me to do 1 backlink per week on blogs, and that is all. They said they want it to appear natural, so for them, 1 backlink per week is perfect. They offered me hundreds of $100 per month for this.

    I told them very clearly, I could probably get them much better and faster results with other methods, but they don't want any part of it.
     
  7. meatro

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    Has he been doing the SEO for a month or two? That would explain a lot.

    If not, it's just another turd slowly convincing his clients that SEO is a myth.

    Why not make a well detailed report on his SEO campaign? I've done that with my boss, show them (without any information from them except the fact that they ARE paying for SEO).. Where their links are, why they suck, what they should be, why their onsite SEO is nonsense... Most SEO places don't even do onsite, unless they fill out a couple meta tags or titles, they're usually after backlinks to their site in your footer.

    Good points to make:
    Are they using paid links; are most of their top links blogrolls or incontent nonsense?
    Are they using social networking? Why not?
    Are they using a blog? Why not?
    Is their website optimized? Why not?
    Is their content optimized? Why not?

    My boss told me they were paying over $5K/month for SEO. Then I submitted to them a short report covering what I said.. They asked me a couple more questions, as they're *somewhat* SEO savvy like "what's wrong with this site's campaign?" And "compare this site's campaign to this one's." The guy was charging them $5K/month for a few paid blogrolls that probably cost him less than $200/month.