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So, I sat down with a guru today ...

Discussion in 'Making Money' started by OTrap, Oct 1, 2010.

  1. OTrap

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    I know a few of them on a personal level, and one of them lives locally. He and I wanted to catch up, so we sat down in his office here in northeast Ohio for about an hour.

    One thing we discussed was the site I'm launching, and he gave me some great pointers. However, one of the pointers pretty much flew in the face of something I thought was going to be a great idea.

    Initially, I wanted to buck that little piece of advice, but I caught myself. I reminded myself, "This guy is one of the most successful Internet marketers in IM history. Why on EARTH would I try to convince myself that I know better?"

    From time to time, I think our pride gets in the way of our success. Often, we're looking for a pat on the back, and if we get criticism instead, our initial response is to think that the critic just missed the mark on it.

    We have to get out of our own way. When you get counsel from someone who obviously knows what they're talking about, TAKE IT! Don't get into a disagreement with them over it, and don't discard the feedback just because it isn't what you wanted or expected. Use it.

    Let yourself want to succeed more than you want to be right.
     
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    Was he a love guru?
     
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    ha and u are not sharing the tip that he gave you...thanks for the tip though
     
  4. OTrap

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    Shola, it was nothing earth shattering, but it was site-specific, so it wouldn't be relevant to most anyone reading this.

    nufaman, if you were to ask him, he'd probably say yes. :D
     
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    It happens everytime i 'run something by' just about anyone.

    another Northern Ohio guy huh? There are a few of us on here ive noticed.
     
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    Yes, Akron area.
     
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    strange that you talk about gurus and ohhhhh theres a guru banner in your signatur :p
     
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    ^^ lol
     
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    How do you define a guru? The majority of guys on here who have bought their Jr VIP membership or have over 500 posts seem to think they are gurus.

    You want to know how to be 100% sure whether you are right, or the so called guru is right about your site specific disagreement? Split test it.
     
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    I am Youngstown's guru.
     
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    Hehe!

    Guru Post, then talks about his guru friend, then have a fresh signature, not more than 2-3 days old = guru code.. Hmmm.... ;)
     
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    Was it...

    Michael Brown
    or any of these?

    Code:
    http://www.linkedin.com/directory/sp/s/search-engine-optimization-experts-ohio.html
    ;)
     
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    I am a Guru...in not making any money.
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  16. OTrap

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    LOL! That's just the branding I'm using. I'm by no means a guru. I simply worked for one for a couple years. I'm sort of leapfrogging off Michael "Jones" and his "Code" sites.

    And I guess I should stipulate. When I worked for him, he owned an IM company that functioned exclusively in the biz-op/IM/MLM space. It employed about 180 people. I was his affiliate manager, and did all his JV email swaps with others of similar size (Shawn Casey, Bacak, Stevie Johnson, Ewen Chia, Kelly Felix, Frank Kern, Anik Singal, etc.).

    I suppose "guru" is a relative term, but in this case, I'm talking a minimum of seven figures a year.

    Yeah, that was one of his pieces of advice, too. :D

    MJ?

    I'm not a guru myself.

    Also the signature has been up for a couple weeks.

    He's not in biz-opp anymore, and he mostly used pseudonyms, but he's known as Mark Warren.

    Under your first definition, this guy wouldn't be one, because he still makes an absurd amount of money.

    Good grief. Do you honestly not believe that people are actually earning 7-8 figures at this? Okay so I used a buzz word to describe him.
     
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    No. He doesn't exclusively make his money with SEO. Thus, he doesn't really peg himself that way.
     
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    i honestly do believe they make that much, but not with doing what they're teaching but selling the dream...if it'd really work, they'd stfu and do it for themselves (exactly what the smart people would do and are doing here)

    you can easily count on your one hand how many of these 'guru' releases worth the money in a year recently when my dog and his girlfriend is selling a bulletproof get rich quick/conquer google method :rolleyes:
     
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    Ah. I see. I misunderstood.

    In the cases of quality products, they indeed do what they sell (Tony Sharpe's System G Formula and Kelly Felix's Bring the Fresh come to mind).

    Also, while I do agree that just about all of it is rehashed (let's be honest, there aren't THAT many "new" systems every year), that doesn't mean that they are, inherently, without value. If something works, reselling it under a different name doesn't necessarily make it work any less.

    Make no mistake, the IM niche has earned the reputation it has, but there is still some baby there amidst all the bathwater.

    You'd be surprised. Some of it would be beneath most people here, because often, it's geared toward complete novices. Still, it can be helpful to others.

    I would agree that almost none of them would be helpful to people who have spent any significant time on this forum, though.
     
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    Split testing is defintely the way to go. I have been talked out of many a good idea before. One idea that I was talked out of when I was younger, came back in my head 4 years later, and it turned out to be clutch. Now when somebody tells me why something won't work, I sit down and plan out 5 attack plans to the "why". If I can't think of more then 1 attack plan to the why - then the person is 100% correct, it probably wouldn't work. If I have attack plans - then I'm pushing forward. There are so many haters out there, that will tell you that something won't work because they don't want you to succeed. I use these haters to help me find loop holes in my plan that I wouldn't otherwise see. Their hate makes me Great! Good Luck Either way.