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So I made it to Page 1...

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by DamnedFreak, Jun 3, 2010.

  1. DamnedFreak

    DamnedFreak Junior Member

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    Hello fellow BHW friends!

    So, I finally made it to Page 1.
    I cannot reveal the keyword or website, because I am at a certain percent sure that the owner of the strongest competitor site is from this forums or at least lurking around on here ;-)

    However, I will give you some more details:

    The site is a TV show streaming site and the keyword consists of the tv show name, and 2 more words. Some of you might figure it out anyway with these information. ;-)

    The competition is fairly strong I would say. When running a intitle:"keyword phrase" query in google, it more than 600k results (my page currently ranking 1st for that query)

    As per the Google Adwods Keyword tool, it has a Global Monthly Search Volume of more than 160k and a local search volume (US, English) of 22k for last month.

    My page is currently position 8 or 9. Many of you probably will ask what my strategy was.

    First, the domain name matches the keyword phrase.
    The On Site SEO is almost perfect. If you need information about that, search this forum and you should find plenty of valuable information. If you are not able to, then in my opinion this business is not for you.

    In concerns of backlinking, I used a variation of automated and manual methods. As it has been stressed out already on this forum, diversity is the key. Don't worry too much about the Google Slap, yet don't over do it. Be consistent.

    Another really good advice you should take is: backlink your backlinks. Build hubs and treat them as if it would be your money page. The extra effort will be worth it.

    I ranked Page 1 in less than a month. I didn't expect this to happen that fast myself, as you can see above the competition on this keyword seems fairly strong. Hope this is giving some kind of motivation boost to some people out there. ;)

    Now comes the down side of the thread.
    The page is primarily monetized with a CPA gateway. I was lurking on Page 3 and 2 for the main keyword already the past 2 weeks. I did get some minor traffic, like 15-20 visits a day. It made a dollar or a half every now and then.

    I was expecting that the traffic and earning would be boosted once I am on Page 1.
    Now for the traffic, that has been proven true. As per Google Analytics, since I am on Page 1, my traffic increased by almost 1000%.

    However, after 1 day on Page 1, I didn't even make 1$.
    The Bounce rate is at some 70%, but as far as my experience goes this will naturally drop a little. If it happens to stay too high, I will need to examine the cause of that and adjust.

    So, what's next? For sure, keep the link building. Try to get even better SERP, preferably the top 3. Increase the conversation rate of the CPA gateway.

    One thing: The gateway is currently set to pop-up after some time only (it's seconds, not minutes). It happened when I did an experimental streaming site some months ago, that this boosted the conversation rate. Now, that might have changed and it could be one of the reasons for the low conversation rate.

    I'll keep you guys posted. Any feedback or heads up from your side is very welcome! Maybe there are some things which seem obvious to you guys which I'm currently just overlooking, because I am too much involved into it :D

    So far,
    Steve
     
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  2. DamnedFreak

    DamnedFreak Junior Member

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    *bump*
    It might have been that people missed "the question" in this thread, and therefore didn't reply at all.

    To keep you posted:
    My site is holding position 7&8 for the keyword above.
    I get up to 200 UV a day from this ranking.
    On day 1 of the ranking, I had one 1 lead from my CPA gateway, which made me 0.25$. Yeah.
    Since then, not a single lead has been generated.

    The question, obviously: why do you think the conversation rate sucks that bad?
    Additionally, I thought that once you make it to 'page 1' of a keyword with this search volume and competition, you should be able to make a few dollars a day even with the shittiest page ever.

    It seems that's not the truth.

    Any feedback is highly appreciated.
     
  3. graphicnut

    graphicnut Supreme Member

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    DF - what tools did u use for backlinking, im thinking of using gsa site submitter and scrapebox mixed as the gsa is white directory backlinks.

    Let me know pal

    Also dude whats the local searches for your keyword??

    Edit: Sorry missed it in your bit :) Ummm im guessing you'll notice a big change when u hit top half of the page, i find that people who have already made it to the bottom of the page have already been through the links above and you offer nothing better.....
     
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  4. DamnedFreak

    DamnedFreak Junior Member

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    Hi, I am using Scrapbox and Senuke, combined with manual link building. A great way of finding places where to drop your link is running a custom footprint search in Scrapebox. Check http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...nks-made-easy.html?highlight=[get]+footprints - great eBook which helped me quiet a bit.

    As far as as it goes for the top positions, I guess you are right. I will try to get in the top 3 spots and see if anything changes. If not, I might need to tweak the page itself and/or the monetizing method. I don't want to do everything at the same time, because it will not allow you to track bat what change caused which increase/drop in leads/traffic.

    Regards,
    Steve
     
  5. Wikolia

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    First of all, well done mate :)
    Secondly, I don't want to be negative, but lets see what your serp is in 2-4 months time. The reason being (from experience) that Google will place your site higher for up to the first 6 months, which is fine for a BH quick campaign blast where you will dump the domain after 6/12 months, but not a long-term site. This isnt saying it will move back down, just that "under a month" is a bit premature to feel secure in your position. Again im not trying to be negative, it was still good work to get there!


    Ok on to the actual leads...

    I personally think that your "money" technique is not one that partners well with the type of site you are running. Think about it from the users point of view, if I came across your site and a CPA gateway popped up, I would simply leave and find another "free" TV streaming site. Unfortunately, you are not offering something so unique that the user cant get it from somewhere else.

    Then theres the issue where you said "The gateway is currently set to pop-up after some time".
    You will probably find that at least 40% (if not more) of your visitors are using some type of blocker. I personally use ABP which I have found to be one of the best pop-up blockers available, so in all likelihood if I was on your site, I wouldn't even see the CPA gateway pop-up on my screen anyway!
     
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  6. kingbrend

    kingbrend Regular Member Premium Member

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    Great job, I love the real results after hard work threads.. congrats and keep building.

    I just want to say you might want to improve your bounce rate because Google knows how fast people leave your site and they won't reward you for that. Good luck!
     
  7. tanay46

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    So this is mainly in regards to optimising the gateway?

    Is the gateway designed properly? Also, look at your stats and see which surveys are getting the most clicks but not converting...
     
  8. nicky s

    nicky s Registered Member

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    the problem you have is that the 8 - 9 sites above you probley dont use CPA. so your losing traffic.
     
  9. DamnedFreak

    DamnedFreak Junior Member

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    First, thanks to all for the kind words. When I initially posted the thread and saw 200 views, yet no reply, I was at the edge of thinking to myself "Dude, you have done nothing amazing at all, people don't even bother to drop a word about it". So today your replies gave me a little bit of a motivation boost.

    I am curious to see the rankings by then as well. Until then, I will continue building links and hope for the best. I try to avoid to look too spammy in order to avoid this.

    True. I thought, however, a certain percentage should still "drip down" to my website and then convert. Guess I was wrong then!


    I was thinking about the same. I was maybe to ignorant, because I already knew what you are telling me know, however, as I ran a movie streaming site (now it's not a TV show streaming site, but still) some months ago, I made like 5-10$ a day without even using Search Engine traffic at all. I was getting the traffic from Youtube.
    It might however be the point that people coming form Search Engines might be more "educated" than most of Youtube user's. Result = Google users don't take the survey, as they have more sites in the SERP offering the same, yet without CPA gateways.


    Are you saying that, because I set the gateway to pop up after some seconds only, it will be blocked by pop up blockers used by most of the people out there?
    Having said that, will they still be blocked when they load immediately, together with the website?

    Thank you for feedback. I know I should be working on that, yet I still need to figure out why the rate is that high. On the movie streaming site mentionned before, the bounce rate is @ 15%. Both websites are built the same way, it's just another source of traffic.
     
  10. DamnedFreak

    DamnedFreak Junior Member

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    Update

    My ranking dropped to page 3, although only for google.com, the remaining still are on Page 1.

    I think it's the Google Dance only, we'll see. In the meanwhile, I keep building links, and also backlinks to my backlinks (actually I'll focus that even more than linking my money site right now)

    Let's see if it comes back. If yes, I will observe the conversation rate with a even better ranking. If it still sucks, I will change the monetizing strategy/method.

    For the record, last night the CPA gateway had 1 lead, which generated 1$.
    The same night, my movie site (which I'm not updating, nor backlining) did 13 times as much. So that kind of confirms my theory:

    Youtube traffic = converts on CPA gateways
    Google Organic traffic = people are too 'educated' and CPA gateway does not convert

    If I have the time, I will try to rank the movies site as well and see if it confirms the above theory.

    So far, thanks everybody for reading and enjoy your weekend.
    Regards,
    Steve
     
  11. DamnedFreak

    DamnedFreak Junior Member

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    *bump*

    Update, I am constantly ranking Page 1 since the thread started.
    I get up to 200 UV a day, but my bounce rate is very high, at aroud 75% and I cannot see why.

    Neither the CPA gatway, nor a PPI gateway converted well. I made less than 5 dollars of each (not per day but on the entire lifetime)

    I'm now kind of fed up and not sure how I should monetize the traffic. I just pasted it full of CPA banners having high payouts (15-20$) right and hope every now and then it will convert. At least it would make more than it is currently.

    I will also reveal my keyword and domain, maybe that allows you to evaluate the situation better.
    Keyword: Watch Simpsons Online
    Domain: http://watch-simpsons-online.org

    Any feedback is appreciated.