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Slave wages and less than minimum wage for freelance work

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by SuzieQBlackHat, Mar 24, 2017.

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  1. SuzieQBlackHat

    SuzieQBlackHat BANNED BANNED

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    The main problem with freelance work is that the employers who are looking for freelancers are super cheap and they expect you to work for LESS than minimum wage. I've applied to many Craigslist ads and a lot of them expect you to write articles for $0.01 per word. That is absolutely insane.

    Where do these people get off thinking they can do this? Problem is, THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH THIS because there ARE plenty of people in India or the Philippines who ARE willing to work for such crap wages.

    My god, I am so sick of this. Isn't it illegal to pay someone less than minimum wage?
     
  2. MisterF

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    What you consider a 'crap wage' may be crap if you live in UK, USA etc, but in India et al could be seen as a decent wage to earn.

    Why do you think clothing companies go to factories in Bangladesh to get stuff made ? It's the end cost of the product to the buyer in the store.
    It's cheaper to get stuff made in Bangladesh, China, India etc and ship back to Europe and America than it is to pay someone there £7.50 an hour / $7.50 an hour.
     
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    Like most other industries such as textiles there is always someone from a poor country that is willing to bend over backwards for absolute shit pay.
    Business want to pay as little as possible, so that's the way it works.

    Don't really see a way too realistically stop this.

    (true story) I work here in the Eu for a restaurant and a friend of mine also works for a restaurant in africa (perfectly normal intelligent guy) and he makes about 1/10 of what i make, different countries have different wages but his living standards there are comparable with here just takes less money to live about the same (with some obvious exceptions like the price of electronics are still the same so it takes longer for him too afford something than me) .
     
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    Yeah it's true. It's depend on them may be they required some work so think without earning is better to earn some to show our work quality.
     
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    Lots of people and lots of posts regarding this issue. I have seen many guys from the US and Australia even working for this price (so-called insane in your terms). People agree to same when they need to grow an authority or need to get away with some requirement or loan. Yes, you can get bread and butter at this price in India and Philippines but hiring real talents from these countries is too way above this budget. Firstly we need to showcase the skills (sometimes for free) and get reviews. Once being acknowledged for the quality, we are head of the queue. Then countries will never remain a constraint in such cases and people are getting paid more than a States citizen being even Indian.

    Easy fundamentals. The one who is famous and known for quality gets paid more. Buyers get benefitted by hiring low wages freelancers but always bear a risk on quality (that is strictly their POV). Sellers work for less with such buyers to demonstrate workability and get reviews. Nobody wants to stick to these low wages.
     
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    While being about freelancers, this thread really shouldn't be in Hire A Freelancer, so I'm moving it to the Lounge.
     
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  8. SuzieQBlackHat

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    The only way to stop this problem is through making it illegal to ship your factories and jobs outside of America and be able to sell your products back to Americans. Globalism has absolutely destroyed the American economy and middle class.
     
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    There are guys who would work for a lot less than you would, because the USD is worth a lot in some countries.

    With that being said - you always get what you pay for. If you pay as little as $5 for a 1000-word article, you can't expect it to be any good. Maybe good enough for a web 2.0 post, but even that's a stretch and you'd need to get really lucky to find a decent writer who'd want to work for peanuts.

    Same goes for everything else. If someone is selling 10 backlinks for 10 dollars, then they're probably shit backlinks etc.

    There's a market for everyone, I suppose. But, what I'm saying is - if you're good enough at what you do, competitors who are charging chump change for their services aren't really your competition anyway. If your client expects to get a SEO audit or a 1000-word article for $5 then they're an idiot, which is not your concern.

    Maybe you should change your approach or advertise your services to a different, more serious, demographic.
     
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    The first step is to have respect for yourself and absolutely REFUSE to work for slave wages. If the guy offering the job is offering you LESS than minimum wage, then report his ass to the US Department of Labor. Stop tolerating this crap from slave labor employers!

    https://www.dol.gov/whd/contact_us.htm
     
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    AFAIK a freelancer would be classed as an Independent Contractor and therefore exempt from the minimum wage

    http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/right-minimum-wage-32961.html
    http://towknight.org/research/law-f...bor-law-hiring-employees-freelancers-interns/
    http://www.shakelaw.com/blog/exempt-vs-non-exempt-employment-an-overview/

    Also the reason a lot of freelancers get shit money is they provide shit work. True Story.
     
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  12. SuzieQBlackHat

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    That's still no excuse, though. There's only a limited number of "high quality" jobs like that. If all of the "low quality" jobs get shipped over to India and the Philippines? Guess what? That means there are going to be tens of millions of Americans who are unemployed and will have to take welfare from the government to survive.

    So you are paying either way. Pay your employees a living salary and they will spend money in America, which will help the economy. Or you can pay foreigners who will spend the money in their own countries and have no positive effect on America, which will in turn cause you to have to pay higher taxes to support all the unemployed people who are now out of a job because you'd rather have hired someone from a 3rd world country.

    Helping your own fellow countrymen is in the best interests of everyone.
     
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    There is no world wide minimum wage.

    Jobs offered on the internet are open to anyone in the world and like @Asif WILSON Khan said, you are not a W-2 employee when you work as a freelancer, you are a 1099 Misc IC.
     
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    Dude, the world is big.
    1 cent might be nothing fo you, but something for a Indian guy living in a remote Indian region, I bet.
     
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    That's ridiculous, in the best interest of my business I need to find the best provider/supplier/freelancer at the best price.
     
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    So your own countryfolk don't overcharge you or provide shoddy work ?

    This is looking more like a political rally than anything else now.
     
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    We call this a market, goes for any business. You just have to compete to survive, whether you have a grocery store or freelance articles business. Amazon got big undercutting book stores in the early days, it's nothing personal it's just business
     
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    To all of you guys making excuses for greedy employers, you have not thought about the LONG TERM CONSEQUENCES of your actions.

    The LONG TERM CONSEQUENCE is that America and the West will descend to the living standard of 3rd world countries. This is already happening in many places.

    I doubt any of you guys have spent much time living in 3rd world countries so let me tell you. It is truly an act of the highest level of treason to destroy formerly wealthy nations and turn them into 3rd world crapholes simply due to the greed of the capitalist and employer class.

    Your children are literally going to curse your existence. But you guys are too short-sighted to see the long term effects of all of this.
     
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    I agree with what you're saying, to an extent, but I'm not sure how applicable that is to the online industry. Some other industries, perhaps, but this one? No. I don't know what line of work you're in, but I don't think anyone's taking your job by lowering the price of their service. Can you tell us what it is that you do?

    As I said, you get what you pay for. If you have a client that expects you to produce a high quality 1000-word article for $5, then move on and find another client because that person has no idea what they're doing anyway. That content will not convert, it won't drive traffic either and depending on how shit it is, it may even fuck up their ranking in search engines.

    Sorry to be blunt with you, but if you have advertised and offered your services everywhere and haven't manage to come across someone willing to pay for them as much as you'd like, then maybe you're overestimating yourself.

    Everything is possible, can't really answer your questions unless we know the specifics.
     
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