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Site penalized by Google. Can I merge all files to a new aged domain and re-rank the website?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Sindragosa, Dec 1, 2016.

  1. Sindragosa

    Sindragosa Regular Member

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    Domain banned because I ranked a spammed LP and therefore got penalized. I think. Removed the spammed LP.

    I have spent a lot of time on this website and it has 20-30 pages with good niches that will rank very well. Actually it did rank well until Google performed anal sex on me without lube. Ouch.

    How do I fix this? What I have come up with so far is that I should:

    • Shut down my website so it gets deindexed by Google in order to prevent my new site from not ranking due to duplicate content
    • Buy an aged domain
    • Wait for Google to deindex my penalized website
    • Migrate all files from old domain to new domain
    • Clap my hands as I see my new domain ranking well

    Is this how it's going to go or not? Correct me!
     
  2. andrewmp

    andrewmp Registered Member

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    What means a spammed LP?
     
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  3. Noah Hawryshko

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    I don't think so. I'm not an SEO guy, but Google probably checks the cached content of banned domains for text originality the same way that it checks normal content.

    So in other words, your site might get indexed, but at the most it'll probably only get ranked as high as a website with duplicate content.

    Also, when you repost your old content your site will probably be fingerprinted as your old site or something taken directly from the old site, to some extent. This would apply as a whole (meta tags, etc.) and not just to text.

    At least, that's what I'd do if I were Google.
     
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  4. Sindragosa

    Sindragosa Regular Member

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    A public LP that is used by thousands of other people. Blackhat LP.


    Yeah, even if the site gets deindexed from Google they probably keep a cached record of the website. But that must not be true. There have to be lots of BHW who has been through this already. I would love if someone could help me with this and spare me hours and hours of work. So the question is how much do I have to change in order to not leave any fingerprints for Google. If I have to change meta tags, image hash, all text content, CSS/JS content and everything else I've forget, then it's most likely just easier to start over from scratch again.

    If that is what I have to do then I will be so disappointed, since I'm not even 100 % sure what caused my website to get penalized in the first place so it could happen again. The spammed LP is just my theory of why the website got penalized. It could be any other reason as well. My site has nofollow links to spammed LPs hosted on another domain but that should not cause any trouble, should it?

    Any help is very appreciated. Thank you.
     
  5. Purush

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    change the content too , not the whole but wherever possible
     
  6. ThatSEO

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    I've had a couple of sites slapped. You can move the content to a new domain, longs it doesn't show as cache in Google on anywhere else online.

    It's the domain that's got the slap, not the content as such.

    You just can't 301 old domain to the other one though, normally as the slap will normally pass over
     
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    I've tried move all content once from a penalized site and it never ranked like the old one. Over 50 articles or so but not a single keyword ranked top 50.
     
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    Of course you can move the content to a new site without any penalty or other negative effects, just make sure the old domain is de-indexed completely before and you are NOT redirecting via 301 from old site to new site.
     
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    Are you sure that google will use lube next time around :D. No nobody is, so got to live with that pain occasionally. But as far as your site is concerned just move content to new domain and start afresh.
     
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    I have read some words from others said you can use old domain's content as long these were all de-indexed completely, you are good to go, but haven't tried it yet, need real expert to tell us the truth.
     
  11. Sindragosa

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    I was on first page and got pushed back to 140+, this goes for all pages I have checked. Nothing seem to rank anymore. However Piwik claims I have 140 unique visitors per day from Google. Can't see the entry page so I have no idea what page that still seems to be ranking.

    :'(

    Of course? Are you sure Google doesn't cache my website even after it's been de-indexed? Also my pages are not de-indexed, it's just that I've been pushed very far back in the SERPs.

    Yes, now I have to live with anal prolapse for the rest of my life.

    My pages are not de-indexed completely, just pushed very far back.
     
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    Could be fake referral or organic traffic showing up
     
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    I've never done it personally, but I imagine Google's cache of your old site my cause issues. What you could try is moving all your content over to a new site and adding canonical headers to the old content indicating that the new pages are the original source. I'd change all the published dates on the old content to be newer than the new site's version though just for good measure.

    So, the workflow of that would be:

    With an article from your old site
    take that content and post to new site, with a post-dated date (month prior, for example)
    add canonical linking to new post site
    change pubdate of old site content to be newer than new site content

    I have NEVER tried to do that, nor do I have ANY IDEA if it would work. I would only attempt that if you are certain that simply moving content isn't an option. I have, in the past, taken content from a site after finding a better domain name and ranked it well.
     
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    BRO they wiil find out . So take your time and get fresh content
     
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    Disclaimer: I'm still clueless about SEO

    That being said, there 2 things should explore before you start doing anything.

    First, you need to gather all the data you can and make an educated guess about why the site got penalized. Check the changes in your site backups from week x where it wasn't penalized to week y where it was, and see if there's anything obviously stupid that you did. You'd be surprised how dumb humans, including myself are.

    If there's nothing there, look for obvious signs of negative SEO on your backlink profile. If there's nothing, look for competitors for your target keyword, and also check for common competitors ranking below you in a large number of long-tail keywords. They all have motive.

    Next, what I'd do personally is share your data, as a whole, with someone who you trust and who is also experienced in SEO. Two minds are better than one, and even if you're a professional another person will see things that you don't. Be weary with this though.

    Next, do some split-testing if you have some throwaway sites ranking for low-comp keywords. Blast them with GSA and get them penalized on purpose, then try and move them to a different domain in exactly the same fashion as you're planning on doing with your money site. However, make different changes on each one so that you can check what Google is looking for and not liking, then you'll know the necessary adjustments you need to make to recreate your money site on a different domain.

    For instance, take throwaway site #1 and reupload the exact root directory into a different, aged domain. Then, check your ranks relative to what they were right before you penalized it. Next take throwaway site #2, and maybe change the meta tags and file names, but keep everything else the same, then check your ranks relative to what they were. Then take throwaway site #3 and keep the meta tags and file names the same, but change the content. After that, look at how you're ranking relative to how you were before.

    So basically (in theory), by changing certain things and not others then comparing your relative rankings, you can find out exactly what Google looks for when fingerprinting sites that have moved to new domains. If you figure out that throwaway site #2 is ranking but #3 isn't, then there's your answer, find the difference between them and make sure to do with your money site whatever you're doing with #2. Also, remember that even if your site is not archived on Google cache, it might be archived on Wayback Machine and that might cause problems for you. I do not know if this is true, but it's something to keep in mind.

    Sorry for super long rant, but remember one more thing. If you spend hours and hours making the necessary adjustments to your site but forget even one thing that Google decides to fingerprint, it's all going to be for nothing. That's why testing with non-money sites is essential to map out the variables in Google's fingerprinting algorithm.
     
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    Go into Google webmaster tools > Remove URL and remove the homepage. Removing a homepage means removing every single page of your site from the SERPs. Wait for your old site to disappear (will only take a few hours). Now simply remove all the content from old website and move it to the new website.
     
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    deindex that site and move content to your new site
     
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    please try to change content brother
     
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    Dont make the mistake of copying existing wordpress site and pasting it on another domain.
     
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    So much bullshit on this thread. If we keep this up the conclusion will be that OP needs to hire a voodoo prist to revive his website. Meanwhile u can do some simple stuff to regain ur rankings:

    - forget the penalized website
    - rewrite content
    - post it on new domain

    Extra precautions:

    - change theme
    - modify imgs and videos
    - change keyword density

    Follow this steps and I guarantee that u will rank if u have a good onpage and a clean link profile.