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Simple Way to Make BHW 10x Better...

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by luiza, Mar 15, 2011.

  1. luiza

    luiza Junior Member

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    Want to know how to make BHW 10x better for everybody???

    Here's how....

    Strive to make the # of thanks you get greater than your number of posts.

    What would be really cool if this could be automated so that if somebody has over 200 posts and has more thanks than posts they get special access to a different part of the site, or a special label like Donor, except cooler, like Fucking BHW God or something... lol

    It's all about showing up asking, "How can I add value" instead of asking, "what can I get?"
     
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  2. craigslistguy

    craigslistguy Regular Member

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    let me find the biggest thread and hit thanks every post...

    Not a good idea i think..
     
  3. bezopravin

    bezopravin BANNED BANNED

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    Mighty BHW is Already the Best! No?
     
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  4. wkrappen91

    wkrappen91 Power Member

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    Its not about giving thanks, but Recieving them...
     
  5. MauDaFita

    MauDaFita Registered Member

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  6. CyrusVirus

    CyrusVirus BANNED BANNED Premium Member

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    bhw only allows you to thank someone so many times per day, its like 15 or something
     
  7. Abstroose

    Abstroose Elite Member

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    And you're saying that because you clearly have more thanks than posts. There is a special status and section for members whom contribute a lot to BHW. They're called Executive VIPs.
     
  8. bigspanner

    bigspanner Newbie

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    Just enjoy the site. There should be no co-relation between the number of posts vis-a-vis the number of thanks. That is so juvenile to engage in bean counting.
     
  9. craigslistguy

    craigslistguy Regular Member

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    im high, sorry lol

    Good idea tho.. ahah...seriously its hard to do tho...More thanks than posts...

    I was already doing this against myself lol, a competition vs me
     
  10. Viko1

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    Done :D
     
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  11. beazt

    beazt Power Member

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    Count me in too:D
     
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  12. luiza

    luiza Junior Member

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    No, I'm saying that because 99% of the people here don't make money.

    The reason is their psychology is screwed up. They come looking for what they can take from people instead of how they can add value.

    By rewarding a high thanks/post ratio it will condition people to add value, which in turn will help people become successful in the long-term.
     
  13. luiza

    luiza Junior Member

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    Are you serious?

    Of course there should be a correlation between the thanks and posts. People who haven't been thanked haven't added enough value to other members in their posts to warrant somebody thanking them.

    It means their bandwidth was all about what they were taking from the site and not what they've contributed.

    Why do you think the thanks button and the rep buttons are here? It's to encourage people contributing.

    You know why?

    Because otherwise the site will be filled with lazy-asses with an entitlement mentality who believe the world owes them something, including explanations from successful people about how they made money.

    The higher the quality of the community here, the more people will be attracted to come here and contribute, and the more everybody benefits.

    To think that you can be part of a community and not be expected to carry your weight is what I would call juvenile, sort of like how pre-school kids show up everyday.
     
  14. hexalor

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    He said "the number of thanks you get".

    Re-read it then think about your reply. If it still makes sense to you then so be it.
     
  15. hexalor

    hexalor BANNED BANNED

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    It's not hard. You're 1 of 2 people.

    1) You're going to spend the years to come not learning and asking constant questions.

    2) You're going to read and learn quickly and then start re-posting helpful advice.

    If you're 2 you'll easily get more thanks than posts. If you're 1 you'll have a much much higher post count than thanks.

    This is actually a good idea and something that people really couldn't game unlike post count etc.

    This would actually encourage people to post LESS, reducing the fluff on the forum. It would need to be implemented by the staff as some sort of visible metric like a ratio with some sort of title under it.

    So if your ratio is 0.5-1 your title could be "Leecher" and if it's 0-0.5 it could be "King of Leechers" or some such.

    Then 1-1.5, 1.5-2, 2+ could have different positive titles so people can instantly see what kind of member you are.

    As for the comment about exec vip being for this, it's not. exec vip is a very small section for mainly trusted members rather than an area for anyone who shares. There is the new executive jr vip which anyone who contributes something good that's moved there will get into.

    What luiza has suggested is very different than this. It's something that would encourage quality over quantity which is a disease the forum is suffering from right now. Quality does exist on bhw, but its hidden in a mass of nonsense from people too lazy to use the search who keep re-posting silly things.
     
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  16. Abstroose

    Abstroose Elite Member

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    I have to disagree. I've been here for a few years, re-posting information and advice. I've offered freebies, given reviews, shared proxy lists, answered questions and given opinions. The most you will get for helping somebody out by re-posting useful information, is one thanks.. simply because you are helping one person.

    On the other hand, the posts which typically earn a shit load of thanks, are the sales threads, offered by users in the services section, and the threads which provide very unique, groundbreaking, step-by-step, money-making methods. It's not easy to come up with a working, unique method to hit the jackpot. In fact it's extremely difficult. But the guys that do provide these rare posts, they deserve all that thanks.

    In conclusion, you have guys in the services forum whom accumulate 1000+ thanks for providing a service which they are profiting from. And the guys that give their share of knowledge and help others out, but receive just an occasional thanks. That's why I disagree.

    And let's not forget, a fair few hundred of your own thanks are merely from 'rules' and 'warning' threads.
     
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  17. IMghetto

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    This could easily be exploited with latest version of xrumer, seem to have made 7 billion thanks as example, very unrealistic though I have seen it forged to that extent
     
  18. GreyWolf

    GreyWolf Executive VIP Jr. VIP

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    Well I've received a fair amount of thanks and never had a service thread. I've also never provided any groundbreaking step by step money making methods. Even though I'm not a mod, I have made posts regarding rules and such which get a few thanks, but only a small percentage of my thanks have come from those.

    The bulk of my thanks comes from doing exactly what luiza is suggesting. Basically I spend my time on the forum looking around with a helpful attitude.

    Whenever I see a topic where people seem confused about some fairly basic things that I know about I try to offer an explanation about the topic in such a way people can understand. Most often I do that in other people's thread, but sometimes if I see the same questions asked over and over I've started threads on the topic. I also watch for threads in which someone might be having some specific problem that I know something about and help them solve the problem.

    I don't know that luiza's idea would really work because there would still be people making helpful posts as you suggest that don't have more thanks than posts, and as you say a lot of people would be getting thanks for things like service threads. But his idea is still something to shoot for.

    Abstroose's post count is a little over 300 and he's had a little over 100 thanks. That's a 3 to 1 ratio. I imagine that if you subtracted the thanks I've received from rules related posts and the few threads in which I've received a more than ordinary amount of thanks, then what I'd have left from the bulk of my thanks would fall into a 2 to 1 or maybe even 3 to 1 ratio. Even a 4 to 1 ratio is probably a fairly decent contributor.

    I think luiza has a good idea, but more thanks than posts is a lot to ask. probably something more along the lines of maintaining a 5 to 1 thanks ratio based on at least 100 threads would probably maintain the quality level that luiza is talking about.

    The problem with incentivizing it though is that then people will start trying to manipulate it similar to how requiring a certain post count causes post inflation.

    The best thing to do is try leading by example. Just strive to make overall useful threads and replies. Doing so will get you more thanks, and will help keep the forum quality high. Also do you're best to encourage the new members to look around a bit and pay attention to the type of posts that are considered valuable before they start posting themselves.

    I think in the long run that's the best that can be done.
     
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  19. meathead1234

    meathead1234 Moderator Staff Member Moderator Premium Member

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    I vote to ban all members who have been thanked less than their post count.

    Oh wait.

    Shit.

    :D

    On a serious note, in a perfect world it's a nice idea, but there are some sections of the forum with far less traffic than others. For example, hardly anyone visits the site flipping section so naturally if I post a good method in there I'll only get XX thanks. On the other hand, if I stole someone's ebook/software and posted it in the download section, I would get 100s of people thanking me basically for theft. So in that respect, it wouldn't work.

    You'll also get a lot of people rehashing crappy old methods and posting them as something they are making XXXX a day with now. It's happened on my forum where people copy and paste stuff they've found elsewhere just to get thanks.
     
  20. beazt

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    Post to Thanks ratio is flawed - give away High PR links, sell services or share IM product and you will usually get around 50 thanks. Not saying that those are not worthwhile contributions either, a lot of stuff that gets shared here is really high quality and benefits a lot of members.

    Should it be a Rep to Post ratio instead? That would make it a bit more difficult to maintain, but just like thanks this can also be increased without actually contributing enough.

    I think most guys at BHW have pretty good idea as to who the most contributing/helpful members here are, and introducing such ratio will not necessarily motivate the non-contributing members to do any better.

    Each member should try to add value to the forum, or we can have a sticky thread telling members to play their part in making the forum a better place. But there is not much that can be done here.