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Simple proof why site age is another Guru BS and how big sharks rank

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by mirrorer, Jun 15, 2016.

  1. mirrorer

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    Over the last few weeks I've been analyzing some big players in SEO filed in tough niches and how they rank.

    They had something very common.

    Can you guess what ??

    Quality links from quality sites.I know ,shocking.....

    They are buying links from every possible site with authority.Niche is really irrelevant.
    2 quick examples you can analyze yourself: wix and dhgate Put them into aHrefs you will see...

    Now,the site age factor....another myth and why it's really about HQ backlinks and buy as many as you can....

    Proof 1.
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    Proof 2.

    Ranking for over 2 million keywords & 50k referring domains backlinks in less than 1 month.
    This is the most shocking example
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    Now,don't tell me the shit "they are adding new content".
    The last example barely added a new piece content since it launched but it is building links like crazy...
     
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    If you look at the traffic its crazy high as well though. 2.8m organic traffic is nuts... I'm guessing the secret here is throwing "viral" amounts of social traffic at a young site while building tons on high authority links. The apparent popularity masks the high volume of links by making it still look like a natural ratio of traffic to links. I do still feel that age and fresh content play a VERY important role in ranking factor. And unless you have the budget to buy/generate huge viral traffic and buy shit tons of authority links quickly you will need a little of both on your side.

    -ThopHayt
     
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    Yup. # referring domains is the shit now.
     
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    I appreciate any take down of conventional wisdom, but I don't think that the value of site age is completely a myth. I work or have worked in a few super competitive niches where it helps a lot. That said, at the end of the day it's still links links links.
     
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    The velocity of the second site is impressive.. I am thinking about penalties and the risk of them, I guess they are very careful on the anchors, and that is keeping them safe for now.

    ThopHayt said they ''mask'' or justify the links by social traffic, the interesting thing is that according to SimilarWeb (they are pretty accurate IMO) the social is only 3.85%. Anyhow I will follow this site growth, I bet I will learn some interesting stuff.
     
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    It's all about sitewide links. All these links are from highly popular site owners like elle.com, about.com etc.
     
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    I wouldn't call this proof, no one is saying you can't rank fresh domains and this doesn't prove that age isn't a factor. It is however not an as important factor as the almighty links.
     
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    Some good points here...

    I don't disagree the factor of site age.

    It does help but what I am trying to say is that quality backlinks were and remain the number 1 factor to rank.

    The article from Glen at ViperChill came just in time and beside those 2 examples above, I've seen a lot more smaller companies , doing the same thing with success.
     
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    Yes, i saw that original article here http://www.viperchill.com/google-control/

    But i don't believe google would take this to its liking. See how they went behind those content media houses with their panda and penguin. So, they are waiting to be shot whether big brand or not.
     
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    I don't know if social traffic is even that relevant. All Google can see are the links, if you're not using Google Analytics they can't really know much about your traffic, can they?
     
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    Somehow they can...Chrome? Wordpress (wp uses google fonts hosted on their servers)?!?!?

    Few minutes ago I posted 1 article on my blog. Submitted it to reddit & fb page for this website. It got indexed withing minutes ,normally takes a day when I don't share my articles on social media...

    I don't use g analytics or wmt...
     
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    And that is why I admire such case studies so that people come into reality.
     
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    When you have giant brands linking to your website, it doesn't matter what the site age is. "Age" and "Authority" are synonymous with each other in most cases. In the examples above they are not. The name of the game now is authority, with relevancy/context being a close second. Overall authority will beat the aforementioned almost every time. We aren't even getting into anchor text ratios, and other ranking signals that affect search results..

    I can tell you this with absolute certainty; a homepage link (sitewides especially) from a giant authority website put you in the drivers seat regardless of age, context, relevancy etc...

    It's a pay to play and in most cases won't get you close to the top in giant verticals. That's not even considering you have giant media companies like Hearst Media tipping the tables in their favor.

    "It's a big club and you ain't in it" - George Carlin

     
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    Are you kidding me? you're showing results of a multi bilion valued company with enstabilished brands.
    Sure af new, good, LONG and low bounce rate content and HQ backlinks is all is needed to rank.
    But really, your example makes no sense, aside the fact it's common knowledge.
     
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    Am I the only one that doesn't understand how this can happen? How can so many people who internet market for a living disagree about the main factors of SEO? This is an SEO forum, are there really that many people who don't understand SEO that everybody disagrees about it?
     
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    There are so many things factored into ranking a website that makes it where people have conflicting opinions. On top of that, every one of those little things is done different by each SEO, so you never have people doing the exact same work to their website as others, so naturally you're going to see different results and then opinions.
     
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    I'm not an SEO'er, but aren't the things they're arguing about fundamental conepts of SEO? It'd make more sense if they were talking about more complicated things, but...
     
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    Well, what I meant by the previous post was that someone could have a proper bulletproof way of ranking a brand new website that google is completely fine with and the SEOer uses that to their advantage and can rank a brand new website just fine. Where as on the other side, someone is doing there SEO differently (not necessarily wrong, but not perfect) which can not rank a brand new website as easily or quickly as the other.

    Given that SEOs all do things differently, theres going to be some people that can rank a certain site, doing a certain thing, in a certain niche that another wouldn't be able to. Due to this, there's always going to be conflicting opinions on what works and what doesn't, since google factors in so many different things into ranking a website and everyone handles their SEO differently.