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Simple 301 Redirect Question!

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by baedorf, Nov 30, 2011.

  1. baedorf

    baedorf Registered Member

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    Noob Question!

    Can I a Domain which I had before 3 months 301 redirected to an other Domain now forward 301 to another for backlink juice?
    Or takes Google long?
    Google ranks me quickly?

    Thanks for your help bros!
     
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    Catt Mutts Junior Member

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  3. baedorf

    baedorf Registered Member

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    Domain A is 301 Redirect since 3 month to Domain B. Now 301 Redirect Domain A to another New Domain possible?
     
  4. drogon

    drogon Elite Member Premium Member

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    Yes, you can remove the redirect and point it to another domain. how long Google takes to pass on the link juice can vary from a few days to a couple of weeks or more....
     
  5. baedorf

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    Today after 4 days I dropped 14 Sites.
    Normal?
     
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    baedorf Registered Member

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    site has only 4 Sites. How Long Takes it? I think Google
    recalculate backlinks? Someone experience?
     
  7. GreyWolf

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    There are many many threads discussing redirects. Just type in "301 redirect" into the BHW search box and you'll find A LOT of information already posted on the topic. :rolleyes:


    A 301 specifies a permanent redirect, but it's permanence is based on it always existing on Domain A. As long as the redirect points to Domain B, then the effects of backlinks to Domain A will be passed on to Domain B. Once you remove the redirect from Domain A though, the redirect ends.

    If you then set up a new redirect pointing to Domain C then the effects of all backlinks to Domain A will now be passed to Domain C. As the SE spiders follow the backlinks to Domain A and get redirected to Domain C, the algorithms will update the indexes. Domain B will lose whatever benefit it had been getting from the Domain A backlinks, and at the same time Domain C will start ranking better based on those same backlinks. It won't happen instantly, but over time all the linkjuice from Domain A backlinks will be removed from Domain B and added to Domain C.


    If you want to know more about how redirects work and what they can so for you then here's a really good thread in which we discussed redirects in depth:
    301 redirects on Old domains and Link Juice.

    Here's a few other bhw threads related to the same topic:
    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...domain-does-linkjuice-get-passed-through.html
    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...aged-domain-301-redirect-bhseo-need-help.html
    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...e-understand-redirects-duplicate-domains.html
    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...search-engine-optimization-help-required.html
    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/black-hat-seo/208275-301-redirect-boost-new-site.html
    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/white-hat-seo/227111-question-about-301-redirect.html

    Hope that helps. :cool:

    I've actually made quite a few posts here on bhw myself over time regarding redirects. If you want to read any of those posts go to the BHW advanced search page and enter "redirect" for the keyword, enter "greywolf" for the user, and select "Find Posts from 6 months and older" in the Search Options. If you don't want to read through the complete threads looking for my posts then also select "Show Results as Posts". It's good to read through at least some of the other posts in the threads as well though, because my posts are usually answers to questions and you need to read the questions to get the context of what's being explained.
     
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  8. baedorf

    baedorf Registered Member

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    Thanks greywolf!
    But how long takes it?
    And today im fallen 14 sites, normal?
    Thanks for help.
     
  9. GreyWolf

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    Which site are you talking about that's dropping? If you changed a redirect on Domain A that was pointing at Domain B, and now it's pointing at Domain C then it should be expected for Domain B to start dropping and at the same time Domain C will likely start rising. It's also to be expected that both Domain B and Domain C might dance around for a bit.

    How fast that will happen depends on how fast the spiders crawl the backlinks How much Domain B will drop will depend on how much the ranking was based on the backlinks to Domain A, and how much Domain C will gain will also depend on how relevant the new site is to the Domain A backlinks.
     
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    Domain C also Domain who gets now Linkjuice is dropped.
     
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    waikikicane Registered Member

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    Thanks Grey Wolf.

    If I may, a follow up question...

    Would excessive building of backlinks to the domain being 301 cause the other receiving domain to become sandboxed?
     
  12. GreyWolf

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    Well first I might mention that there is debate as to whether excessive backlinking will actually get a site sandboxed anyway. The logic is that if it were that absolute then you could just do a massive backlinking campaign for a competing site to get them dropped in the SERPs.

    For now let's just assume it can get you sandboxed. Let's also assume you're building backlinks to domain A while it already has a redirect set up pointing to Domain B. In that case the effect would be exactly the same as if you were actually building links to Domain B.

    To prevent any negative consequence it would be better to do the massive backlinking BEFORE you set up the redirect to Domain B, give the spiders some time to crawl and index the backlinks, then after most of the backlinks have been indexed you would set up the redirect. Doing that will reduce the risk for Domain B.
     
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    This is normal because you just added all the domain A links to domain C and depending how many links domain A has compared to domain C then it should dance a little but eventually start rising and replace domain B position.
     
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    Personally i have found less negative effects when i blast a redirecting domain as supposed to blasting my money site itself directly. So actually adding a 301 redirect to your money site then blast the 301 site is an effective link building strategy.
     
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    You misunderstood what I was saying. In the example above Domain A isn't the money site, Domain B is.

    If he does a massive backlinking campaign to Domain A while it's already being redirected to Domain B, then effectively he *IS* doing massive backlinking to his money site (Domain B). But if he does the massive backlinking to Domain A *BEFORE* setting up the redirect, then there's less chance of negative consequences for Domain B (the money site).

    Then after the dust settles (so to speak) for the Domain A backlinks, he then sets up the redirect and the backlinks will be reindexed for Domain B with much less chance of negative consequences for the money site.
     
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    I fully understood what you were saying! I will explain my point again using your 'Domain A' + 'Domain B' example.

    From my experience if i do a big backlinking campaign at Domain A AFTER it has been 301 redirected to Domain B then i have never seen domain B penalized and only had positive results. However i have sandboxed a few sites with direct blasting which leads me to believe that your site is less likely to be penalized and less Google dance (not saying its impossible as this is just my own personal experience) if you blast it via an existing 301 redirect.

    Edit: Just to make things clearer, i fully agree with your comments about blast the redirecting site first and then add the 301 but just saying that i still see good results blasting even AFTER the 301 has been added.
     
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    OK, I was just confused because you mentioned about blasting the money site which wasn't even suggested.

    Yeah you can definitely get away with making your backlinks even after you set up the redirect, but because of the nature of redirects there will still be a risk (if it's a massive or link spamming campaign). If you do the backlinks before setting up the redirects though the risk is virtually eliminated. Because of that whenever I discuss redirects I always suggest doing any backlinking campaigns (that are massive enough to worry about) when the redirect isn't pointing at your money site.

    Mostly it's just a "better safe than sorry" strategy. If it were my own site then I might take the chance, but when explaining how redirects work then I think it's important to explain the risks as well.