Should SEO be a game to give up?

Google isn't even sure about what Google wants. So what chance have we got?

I gave up the 'Google Game' about 7 years ago and it's helped me enormously. The only thing I use Google for is to check I've spelled something correctly - that's it. Sure, I sell backlinks, but I don't believe in what people are buying off me. I just take the money and give them what they want.

I get the news from social media. Rollback 10 years ago and I'd be using Google all the time.

Of course, anybody selling backlinks will say of course it matters, but for the rest of you - is it actually worth it?


Note to mods: Not Whitehat nor Blackhat so thought it best to have a random discussion in here.

If everyone give up on google then the competition will be low and everyone would be back at google.

Imo if u are ranking WH then u have to use BH and WH seo and u will be able to rank decent but if u are doing BH then u have to do constant research to get a good position and pray to not get penalized in the next google update

skule said:

If everyone give up on google then the competition will be low and everyone would be back at google.

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Not really.

If everybody gave up on Google then social media would be loving it.

ScreamingMidget said:

Not really.

If everybody gave up on Google then social media would be loving it.

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Social media would love it but think about people who don´t use social media at all.

I now feel like playing " lottery " come Google

creative thinking is the key to any kind of success that involves breaking down complex situations.

Google game is dynamic, It keeps on changing thats the reason we as SEO love it. And my friend giving up is not the key. Rather understanding the algorithm and keep on working accordingly is the key to success.
And being an seo I also don't know the seo game in all. And many of us might agree with it. But the tip is what I always do and recommend to all is "Stick to the basics."

I think seo is all the game of trial and errors. And as my mentors says "It is the game of testing".

So, I conclude it be like...

"Stay strong, Be consistent, keep testing and keep on trying, trying and trying one fine day success would be yours"

ScreamingMidget said:

Of course, anybody selling backlinks will say of course it matters, but for the rest of you - is it actually worth it?

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I would say - it depends - but what I do know, is that the biggest site in my white-hat e-commerce niche has a very powerful, yet extremely non-relevant domain 301'd to it. They had a huge drop in traffic after the May update, then soon after, they pointed this domain towards it, and their traffic skyrocketed past what it was, even before the May update.

Would I say they are worth it? I would probably say it depends.
Would my competitor say it is worth it? I imagine they would say yes, as that 301 seems to have made them a LOT of money, based upon over a year of analyzing their website.

skule said:

Social media would love it but think about people who don´t use social media at all.

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I don't think someone exists who don't use social media

If the Internet connection available means somehow they will come to social media

I have seen many people who don't use google search but having many Facebook accounts

Nishdibar said:

I don't think someone exists who don't use social media

If the Internet connection available means somehow they will come to social media

I have seen many people who don't use google search but having many Facebook accounts

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I feel Google sometime try to confuse us ,

especially come Adsense stuff, they claim " Organic traffic count etc " , and " Social media traffic is not quality traffic "
Ok than but come factors how a site get more influence etc , they take social media factors to judge
is it A lot talking about it etc on social media, share etc

u get what I mean here?

Nishdibar said:

I don't think someone exists who don't use social media

If the Internet connection available means somehow they will come to social media

I have seen many people who don't use google search but having many Facebook accounts

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I know a lot of 40+ people who only use whatsapp and marketing through it is pretty hard and barely knows someone who is going to use instagram or facebook to search for "chicken recipes" instead of google.

YujinTan said:

u get what I mean here?

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Sorry, I don't get your point

Can you make it clear

ScreamingMidget said:

Google isn't even sure about what Google wants. So what chance have we got?

I gave up the 'Google Game' about 7 years ago and it's helped me enormously. The only thing I use Google for is to check I've spelled something correctly - that's it. Sure, I sell backlinks, but I don't believe in what people are buying off me. I just take the money and give them what they want.

I get the news from social media. Rollback 10 years ago and I'd be using Google all the time.

Of course, anybody selling backlinks will say of course it matters, but for the rest of you - is it actually worth it?


Note to mods: Not Whitehat nor Blackhat so thought it best to have a random discussion in here.

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SEO is just a lot harder than it used to be. There's still a TON of money in it. It's a $90 billion a year industry. If it didn't produce results, it wouldn't be that big.

I sell links, and I also work on my own projects. I enjoy selling links more because I prefer customer based businesses where I have a product, and it's more controllable to scale. Building out sites is slower, and it's a different type of business, but it's still very profitable. If you know what you're doing, you can still rank sites fairly easily. It's not THAT hard, but there's too much misinformation out there, so most people are very confused and struggle. I still see endless people hammering pages with 20-30 links. Even worse, hammering a single page with 20-30 exact anchor links. None of that works.

You need to choose the right keywords, optimize your pages for those keywords, make sure not to cannablize, build topical relevancy, add in exact/partial internal anchors between relevancy pages and then you just consistently build quality links over a long period, making sure you've got plenty of brand anchors to the homepage and you spread your links out to different pages, including informational ones, with naked urls and lsi's. That's it. It just requires patience. You can't hammer a site with 100's of links and rank fast. Just a few good links every month(2 to 15) for 1-2 years and you have yourself solid site that will stand the test of time.

Nishdibar said:

Sorry, I don't get your point

Can you make it clear

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ok I mean Google claim. "social media is not quality traffic " but on the other hand come ranking etc factors they take social media as one factor
so this is the confusing part isn't ??

skule said:

who is going to use instagram or facebook to search for "chicken recipes" instead of googling?

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Just wonder

Have you tried to search the 'chicken recipe' in Facebook

You will get perfect videos in Facebook for those search term

It's been a while since the last time backlinks bring improvement to my website.

Tried alot of guest post, contextual links, niche edit links and none of them really do their magic.

Zedcov said:

It's been a while since the last time backlinks bring improvement to my website.

Tried alot of guest post, contextual links, niche edit links and none of them really do their magic.

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It does do " Magic " I remember bough quite a lot services here like early last year , organic search per day can get 300+ but Google update and update now per day I only got 100+ a bit only cone organic search

It depends on what people consider SEO to entail.

Most think it's throw $99 on 10k crappy links and that's it, job done.

SEO has become a damn site more technical with many other factors in box on page and off page aspects.

I’ll answer this bit differently cause I’m not a guru or a expert but I once heard a story where the fox claimed that grapes were sour because he could not reach for them. Now it’s easy to understand what I mean but yea technically not that easy too but if it was easy it wouldn’t be costly hope you get it

I dont see Google going anytime soon... And at the end of the day everybody has to search something online once in a while. Whether you're a student looking for material, or someone looking to buy a product or whatever the case may be, you need a search engine, and there's no better one than Google.