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Should I build my own Private Blog Network (PBN)?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by MySeoEmail, Oct 11, 2015.

  1. MySeoEmail

    MySeoEmail Regular Member

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    Should i spend the money and start off building a smaller 10 to 20 site PBN? Why or why not? Also will this small of a network do anything as far as ranking keywords or must you have more sites to really do something?


    Would this be better then buying links on a network I cannot control?
     
  2. EatSleepSEO

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    If the domain metrics are good, even a 10-20 site PBN can be quite effective, however, if you're wanting to build a PBN for the sole purpose of ranking/targeting a single site, you need to evaluate the competition of competing sites/domains that are currently ranking to see how effective your PBN links would be.
     
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    Exactly ,it depends on the competition and your budget.Anyway if the competition is high,than look for an easier niche to start with.
    How much your PBN will rank you it also depends on the domains,that you buy.

    For long term and for ranking multiple sites it is best to have your own and be in total control.
     
  4. MySeoEmail

    MySeoEmail Regular Member

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    I have been doing careful keyword search but just seeing in the long run. I personally would feel more comfortable with my own PBN then buying links somewhere or not know what the other person is doing as far as SEO goes.
     
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    Should you use SEO on your PBN domains? Do link building on your PBN sites?
     
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    my blog is getting more traffic than my main..... because of failed PBN structure
     
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    Do you know where you went wrong so I dont take that path?
     
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    That's a good reason to wanna do it. Not just security & control but KNOWLEDGE & EXPERIENCE. The more experience I get by testing my PBN the more I realize most guys in the market place have no idea what they're doing. Well, let me rephrase. It's not they don't know what they're doing. It's the fall out of competitive price wars. The standard going rate is $1.99 / home page link in the market place. If you think about all the things people need when buying links.... like strength, quality, relevance and security.... you're now technically paying $.50 for each one of those 4 "benefits".

    Another pattern I've noticed is guys who build great networks for their own sites & a group of targeted, high paying clients. They get a lot of resources together and go crazy building a network. As they use their network they gain valuable insights. Like which sites/clients are ranking best... and ultimately which PBN sites suck. Afterwards, they keep all the best performing sites for themselves and their wealthiest clients. Then they come on BHW to liquidate their garbage and tell people the exact opposite. Like, "for those who know my previously successful service jizzrankpro, these are all the best PBN sites that I planned to keep for myself. BUT FOR A LIMITED TIME YOU GET HOMEPAGE LINKS ON THESE SITES FOR JUST $1.99!!!!" LOL. They even have the nerve to say "LOW OBL = 35". What the fuck?

    You expect me to believe that you saved all your "best" PBN sites..... not for your own money sites or your highest paying clients.... but for a bunch of broke bastards who want their link on the same page as 34 other guys for $2? Makes perfect sense! -_-

    The whole point of registering a PBN site is the authority links. Unless you can go back in time to get 5+ year old links on authority sites... you're not just wasting time but potentially ruining the strength of a site.

    On the other hand there's always exceptions. If you're in a niche where most your competitors are playing "fair" you may definitely wanna tier your PBNs. Like 50 PBNS > 10 PBNS > Money site. That's something I'm working on now cause I'm in a niche where guys are spending $10k+ a month on SEO for all these "whitehat" directories or sponsored links. I told myself, "when I pass pos 6 I'll stop direct links, buffer the rest for security". Problem is, my site accidentally ranked too high too fast. I hit a wall at page 2 which made me overcompensate to get to page 1. But then when I hit page 1 in a matter of weeks I moved up to #3 &4.

    I know for a fact, if not already, my competitors are gonna look at my site and be like "what the fuck is this guy doing?"

    So immediately I started deleting & redirecting links. I'm deleting all the links on my uglier PBN sites (that link direct to money site) and repointing them to my best looking PBN sites. As much diversity as I added early on (social, web2.0, etc) it's shady as fuck when I check my own links. Just seeing 1 backlink on the root level raises suspicion. You always wonder "who could be so kind..... ?" then you dig deeper. If you see 2-3 root / home page links now you're really suspicious. 10 or more you don't need to dig any deeper. You know "this mfkrs gaming the system".

    These niches are highly profitable. So in the end I may remove all my homepage links and do tiers to sublevels instead. Like 50-70 PBNs > 15 pbn.com/target/ > money site.

    I'll lose a lot of link juice. But if that's what I need to confuse the fuck out of my competitors I'll do w/e it takes.

    -BB
     
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  9. MySeoEmail

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    I sincerely appreciate your post because I learned a lot and I am a newbie at this so your insight means the world.

    What did you mean by this "when I pass pos 6 I'll stop direct links, buffer the rest for security". Problem is, my site accidentally ranked too high too fast. I hit a wall at page 2 which made me overcompensate to get to page 1. But then when I hit page 1 in a matter of weeks I moved up to #3 &4."

    Direct links meaning.....links directly from your PBN to your money site? Also how do you buffer them?
     
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    Hi BnB,

    For your second tier PBNs, do you build them or just buy from the so-called PBNs? Not backlinking to your tier 2 ?
     
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    Thank you for the great info BB.

     
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    A private network is better than public one in terms of effectiveness (lower chance of deindexing, you control content, crawlers access, hosting, and can make sure to set each right). On the other hand, with a public network you can get more links from domains cheaper.

    However, if you are in a high competition niche, 10-20 pbn domains won't do much good (unless they are extremely powerful). You might need more.
     
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    Thanks BB

    always post informative things in this community
     
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    This is something you only learn by experience. Congrats for saying it like it is. Selling maps to the mines after the mine is expired is the oldest business on the land.
     
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    You guys are great! Its great to see people tell it like it is.
     
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    A lot of truth in here. I guess I'm in the minority - using same PBN sites to rank my sites and sell links on them also.
     
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    Short answer is yes just start building PBN's and learn how to link and do SEO. your first and second and many other projects won't be perfect but just start is the fastest way to learn.
     
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    Been watching the Matthew Woodward series on PBN's and he has a lot of good points. The hardest thing for me has been finding domains that are relevant and have good DA and trust. Matt highly recommends choosing domains in the same niche that have a trust ratio of less than 1.8. I believe they factor this by dividing Majestic Citation Flow by Trust Flow.

    So I'm starting off slow. After a couple of days I finally found one domain that is where it needs to be for me. Relevant Wayback history, 1.4 trust ratio, and a Moz DA of 34.
     
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    Where can I find Matthew Woodward series on PBN's ?
     
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    There should be a link on his site. I'm not sure though. I just got an email invitation and just clicked the link there.