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Shocked this site is still in SERP

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by patriotnews, Jan 2, 2017.

  1. patriotnews

    patriotnews Senior Member

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    So I was checking competitor's backlink profiles for a new niche I am dipping my toes into and came across this backlink profile that just left me shocked this site hasn't been Google slapped so hard his AOL chatroom account felt it!
    The niche is rated around a 52 on Keyword revealer and a 56 on MOZ, so nothing spectacularly crazy competitive.
    Let's say the niche is gardening(makes it easier for the examples I'll need to give).
    So he has this site: seedsandsupplies.com(example)
    There are 10 PBNs in MOZ pointing at his site, all completely unrelated, with 5 articles each, all at 500-550 words, each pointing to a completely different site(all owned by him). Say one is gardening, diets, women's fashion, pet food bowls, and fourth of July party supplies(not those, but that related). Each of the articles are poorly spun(and on each of the 10 sites), with exact keyword matched backlinks for each one, every time.
    I found another PBN that was for an old private school (org not edu), he had recreated the entire site in flash, except the page linked back to his garden site, which is HTML(and the only page with over 300 words.
    BTW: each PBN was registered in his name, no trying to hide anything.

    Now none of this is shocking, I often run across junky PBNs, and use them to judge how hard it will be to beat my competitor, but now the part I hadn't run across before.

    Like I said, pretending it is the gardening niche, we're still pretending the site name is seeds and supplies.com
    He has redirected sites such as:
    Carrots.com
    Tomatoes.com
    Cucumbers.com
    Pumpkins.com
    To his main page. Then on his main site, when he talks about tomatoes, he has redirected:
    Carrots.com/tomatoes
    Tomatoes.com/tomatoes
    Cucumbers.com/tomatoes
    Pumpkins.com/tomatoes
    And it does this for every imaginable vegetable.
    The backlink profile of each of these is a bunch of single page web2s and blog comments blasts.
    Then he took it one step further, on his shopping cart, he has redirected:
    Carrots.com/buycarrotsnow
    Carrots.com/tomatoes/buycarrotsnow
    Carrots.com/tomatoes/buytomatoesnow
    And on and on, but I figure you get the point.

    And how many of these? I stopped at 42 domains redirected to his site, each broken down like that. Each of them registered in his name too. The main site has been around since 2007, so this isn't some churn and burn project, unless it was intended as such and just hasn't burnt yet.

    Depending on the keyword, he is ranking between #1-#12 no doubt pulling in some coin, but damn, Google gets a sniff, all that comes crumbling down, and I mean heck, it is in MOZ.

    I was also impressed because he tried to hide nothing! Just plop, here is everything I do.
     
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    That truly is Amazon, all procedures to create an anonymous PBN these days and he has gone against all of them yet faces no consequence, pretty funny actually.
     
  3. patriotnews

    patriotnews Senior Member

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    Yeah, I was shocked. And it isn't even for an Amazon review site or something, he is taking and processing his own product orders(might be drop shipping, but it has delivery times of 2-3 days, so impressive).
     
  4. redarrow

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    He dont no about hiding his pbn method.....

    I bet all his afflicate links are ghosted ...

    Google probably has ghosted all his afflicate links, or got his affricate ban from him ....

    I think this marketer is old days ways, and not updated to new known ways ......

    But the indexing postion is madness,
    Especially not protecting them brilliant pbn...

    The reason can be the keyword not recognised via google as a heigh paying prospect ,and been ignored under the radar ....

    And yes ,there keywords that google dont scan or beleve will make cash ,so there not radard like heigh payout keywords...
     
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    Like a boss
     
  6. lion1978

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    You are so wrong about that, by doing what he is doing he is telling big G that he has taken all of his "previous" single focused sites into one "authority"like site and is in fact giving big G what they want to see.
     
  7. redarrow

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    No not correct the main website is a multi afflicate website and showing that aswell , google dont like afflicate websites full stop
    Like said nothink restricted even admittance of being a affilcate website ....

    Can only put it down to unwanted keywords of importance

    Goggle dont allow pbn at all , they only permit that with there own website designers
     
  8. lion1978

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    what google doesn't like is affiliate websites with "thin"/crappy content on them, but if the site does as you say I imagine that the manual review team will at sometime take a look at it and possibly deindex or derank it.

    Google doesn't like ANY kind of backlinks/external seo, however they do encourge you to do a 301 redirect if you move your contetn from domain a to domain b, even though it technically is a backlink.

    the way the redirects are set up like mentioned is something that happens often, lots of seo agencies use this setup with redirects, so that if a client don't pay or for other reasons doesn't want their service anymore, they can remove the backlinks.
     
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    If it works for him it is cool.. but I believe he get slapped by G sooner or later!
     
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    I bet there is a $97 e-book floating around telling all about his method. Half the battle of starting a PBN feels like the fear of being caught, mean while this guy just throws it out the window.
     
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    That nailed it. Fear mongering has a huge place in Google strategy.
     
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    Very interesting. Especially since 301 redirects do not seem to be working as well as they once used to.

    Does he have any links from trusted sites like Wikipedia and the like?
     
  13. RayBay

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    How many domains has he redirected? At least 42? Thats a huge number.
    Take a look in wayback machine and see, when did this happen. Might be that he has redirected those domains several years ago when redirects worked much better.
     
  14. patriotnews

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    The only links I found were the redirects, the junky PBNs, and unrelated niche blog comments.

    From what is looks like on wayback is the domains have always been redirects, like since '08, MOZ, ahrefs and majestic only show junky backlinks to them.