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Shaving, How Do You Determine If It's Happening?

Discussion in 'Affiliate Programs' started by blackhatchick, Aug 9, 2009.

  1. blackhatchick

    blackhatchick Newbie

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    Edited to say: ugh lol sorry, when I clicked to post this I seen how long it is, so I know no one will probably read all this. So to make it short and simple, how do you come to the conclusion that the company is shaving and it's not that you aren't doing a good enough job to get sales? What are the signs? Appreciated!



    I know what shaving means, however, once before I was told the affiliate company I promote for may not have been shaving once stating a few things that didn't add up regarding my ratios etc. so now I am curious to know how do you all decide if the company is shaving or if it's on you as to why you aren't getting sales? Fingers crossed someone will answer this after reading the following:

    I just want to list all the facts, then hopefully get some responses back as to what seperates what I'm experiencing from shaving.

    1. My ads get me at least triple the amount of responses than the top earners say they get back per ad. Basically, if the top earners report receiving 50 responses per ad, I will get 150 or more per ad. To me this would be a good thing because that means my ads must be good if I get more responses than the top earners.

    2. I've seen top earners say they get maybe 50 hits to their site off a few hundred emails sent out. If I send out 100 emails, I definitely get at least 80 or more hits to the site... so that leads me to believe that my email reply must not be so bad either.

    3. I have experienced the issues some of the people who were bashed for speaking out experienced: potential customers reporting back to me that they were declined yet cards were charged, but others have stated what could make this possible so I'll take their word for it. Along with that, I had documented PROOF that my traffic was being redirected after customers were writing me back telling me this, I found it out to be true, but of course that was an honest technical error... this is tricky to me. How do affiliates decide if it was really an "error" or just a lie from the company to coverup them being caught?

    4. EVERYTIME I GET SALES, my ratios start off nearly perfect with ratios of about 1:15 and even BETTER! However, by the end of the day, my 1:15 and better ratio goes way down to ridiculous numbers like 1:150 to even 1:300. This is a common thing, I get two or three sales(which is the most it seems I can ever get in a day) within like 30 minutes to hour of work, then for the hours that follow... not even one more sale. Usually if I get two or three sales in one day, I can expect not to earn anything for the next two or more days after sending 100s of hits to the site.

    What I'm saying is: what is the possibility of getting 2 sales off only 20 to 30 hits, but ZERO sales for two or more days when sending at least TWO HUNDRED and MORE hits? It ends up being ZERO sales for 600 plus hits... yet when I do get sales my ratios are ALWAYS 1:15 and better, this isn't a case where I lucked up with a 1:15 or better ratio a few times, this is the case ALWAYS when I get sales.

    The other day, I tried placing blame on myself again... I hadn't sent traffic in about three days, then I created a new plan. I placed one ad and made around 6 sales off 62 hits, giving me the most sales I've ever been able to make there in a single day. This was off no more than one hour of work. You can imagine what happened afterwards, the same ole same ole. I posted another 2 or so ads and my ratio went from 1:10 to 1:40 or so, so I stopped sending emails to the men and just said forget it that day. The next day I sent more traffic throughout the day/night and no sales. This was with a fresh and new plan not even one hour old.

    Sorry about the long post, just wanted to state most of the facts. By me stating "most" yes that means there is more I found out about but I'll let that be. Now if someone who isn't into bad mouthing anyone to DEFEND companies, but willing to give an honest answer as to what seperates what I have experienced from shaving, please let me know.

    BTW lol, before anyone says it, yes I am finished there as my gut feeling along with 2+2 not adding up to four tells me I know I'm being ripped off. I also feel bad for other affiliates who so often ask, "Why am I not getting sales? How can I improve?" Because I strongly feel that it has nothing to do with them. I read a few articles before online that stated that most affiliate companies will always pay certain people so that they have people to stick up for them as proof that they are legit.

    Even though I'm respecting the company by not stating names, I just hope I get my last check after this is read. They have always paid me, but I have seen others say that once they came out things changed, so don't know. All I know is I hope someone reads my long post lmao and answer my main question regarding shaving. I am looking for other affiliate programs to promote for now, because I am completely fed up. Customer service does no good. You can tell when you are being fed BS when a company goes around your problem and you wonder if customer service is an auto responder. Especially when the company main concern isn't assisting with your problem, instead just keep throwing hints that they wish you wouldn't speak about them on forums. Deep inside I feel the owners probably are laughing their blanks off, because they know what the real deal is!

    Sorry my post may have came out a bit as me ticked off as I am but THANKS TO ALL for reading even if not responding! :) (can send me a pm if not writing here) :cool:
     
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  2. Sanitarium

    Sanitarium Regular Member

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    Jesus riding a camel on the hottest day ever recorded, what a post.

    If you're trying different networks/aff programs, and running the same or similar offer you should be able to know what's up on your own very easily. What if it's just a bitchy advertiser for example.

    If it's CU then, no comment. :D
     
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  3. noob411

    noob411 Junior Member

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    Actually this is very simple, in fact it is the easiest thing ever.....
    All networks shave, the only difference is how much you allow....
     
  4. secretboy08

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    you need to split test between different networks and different advertisers.
    thats the way to see if shaving is being done or not.