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Services That Build High Quality Web 2.0s. Know of Any?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by TheSeoKraken, Sep 14, 2015.

  1. TheSeoKraken

    TheSeoKraken Junior Member

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    Everybody says their service is quality but we all know that's not true. Was wondering if you guys knew of any services -- people here or websites -- that do true quality web 2.0s that stand the test of time.

    Services that don't just blast out spun article with a link... they actually doll up the entity with a new theme, maybe some about me stuff, post good content with relevant pics, wait a few days or a week for it to marinate, then come back to and add another post with your link. And when it's all done, gives a report with the link so I can maintain and add new posts as needed.

    I can fire up FCS network and blow out a few hundred spun articles. That's not what I'm after.

    And yes, I know it's easier to do this kind of thing yourself if you want high quality but if I prefer to outsource these time consuming tasks. Not enough time to make 10 to 20 different quality web 2.0s for every term I want to rank for. It's mind boggling.

    So, I figured I'd ask and see if there are any go to guys/services that you wouldn't mind sharing with me -- (and then I realize the absurdity of the question and think "would I reveal my secret weapon of web 2.0 and possibly lose that weapon to the horde that contacts him/her")

    My next idea may be to hire a freelancer VA and give them a set of articles and instructions. That seems logical.. but a lot of weeding out the undesirables which can also quite a bit of time.

    Thanks guys!

    -Sean
     
  2. Scritty

    Scritty BANNED BANNED Premium Member

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    Personally - outsourcing is the key. A service will follow a template or routine. There are some great content creators/posters on Odesk and Elancer and others that will get you a unique article written and posted for very little.

    Set out the time frame ($35 a day is reasonable for Micronesia, Polynesia and places like that) Offer 8 days work a month with an initial 1 month trial.
    Only offer the task to those with say 10 completed tasks with good reviews
    Set your expectations "4 articles a day written and posted" (giving 2 hours per article) stress they must be unique. Give ideas for image use. Provide links to software they can use if needed (simple image manipulation software, news groups to get ideas for content etc)

    Consider creating the accounts yourself. It takes 20 minutes to create a couple of accounts - and you really want to spread the creation out.
    Importantly don't have just WEB2.0 sites. O'Reilly's team along with Google et al know exactly what constitutes a WEB2.0 site, and a first tier link profile that contains nothing much other than these link types will stand out like a sore thumb in time.

    As for services, I've tried dozens, even had some free ones where I was offered the freebie on the understanding I'd write a review. Luckily (for me) I always caveat that I would only write a review if I thought the service was good. The ones I've tried have all been complete crap. Not even close to modern long lasting SEO effective first tier safe.
    Fine for churn and burn - but if you have a WEB2 tool and a tool like KM I could have done them with that myself for next to nothing.

    I've been looking myself for years. Even those that cost $500+ have all been complete crap. Not even close to the quality. Weak, thin content. crap copy, very few posts, very little customization. The pages look bot made with formatting errors, lack of H and META tagging. If there were images they were all over the place. Bio (if included) was far from optimized and clearly generic BS.

    $150 a month for 4 days of a good VA's time gets you a shit load more if you handle them properly. VA's are not "set and forget". The first month you need a clear and precise plan, clearly communicated and monitored regularly and without emotion. That being said there are tons of people out there who will do this job for you.

    Scritty
     
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  3. TheSeoKraken

    TheSeoKraken Junior Member

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    Your "thanks" are well earned. Excellent post and gave me quite a lot to think about. Those thoughts have been deeply buried in my brain for awhile -- no really great services, all junk doing the same thing day in and day out -- but I just don't want to acknowledge those thoughts, cause it means a lot more work on my end. Or, as you said, finding a good VA that I instruct to the letter of what I want.

    Thanks again... excellent post and will definitely make me rethink finding web 2.0 services.

    -Sean
     
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    I agree with Scritty, in fact i follow the same template, and it is a lot cheaper. I use freelancer to get quality handwritten articles (500 words) for $2. And get someone else to create the accounts for me for less.

    But if you just need a one time service, then I recommended this guy: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...b-2-0-unique-articles-boost-your-ranking.html

    Before his thread was live. I have been using his service to create web2.0s and till date, the web2.0s are still ranking. I have sold the said site, if not, i would have keep adding content to the web2.0s to increase its authority. Although the money-site is still ranking.
     
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  6. captinjamestkirk

    captinjamestkirk Registered Member

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    I have tried a number of these "White Hat", or "High Quality web 2.0" services and like Scritty say's they are all basically dog shit. My last one (and just following the great rep/reviews was for about 30 sites, these were too cheap to believe they would turn out well, but at least the appeared in the sample to take a bit of time setting up pages/images ect. Well these also turned out to be crap. I think i have purchased these HQ web 2.0's about 5 times and not one was good. I agree with scritty that you really need your own VA to do these, either get a writer to write the content and then hire somebody who can setup each site. The key is you need somebody with a brain that can understand how to make each property with its own unique aspects to it without falling into a pattern. Preferably it would be nice to find writing/setup in the same person, but your still going to have to give them a system/template/checklist/process for the VA to follow with tips for them or else they will also fall into robo mode and all your properties will look/feel the same. Its not very easy to get somebody who doesn't fall into robitic mode without a good plan to keep them always thinking how can I make this property different from the others built. Honestly just like guest posting, it seems almost all the services fall into the crap category for the most part. It would seem there would be enough interest in getting quality that somebody would make a service that say offers 6 to 10 content pages, setup, uniqueness, images, videos ect for 25/30$ per property, but maybe there are just to many budget minded people not willing to pay for this, i would, but they don't appear to exist yet.

    I'm not sure why this is the system you recommend. 8 days work a month initial 1 month trial. This seems a bit convoluted to follow maybe I'm missing why you recommend this vs just getting somebody full/part time to do all of this and break it up into 8 work days a month, or even setting up time frame to write the posts. You can get a VA on an hourly/contract bases and tell them if its good you will get more work, focus on quality/uniqueness not speed. Good luck getting va's to use and be able to work with any seo software ( fcs/autofillmagic) as they all have quirks and will end up being a drain on your time with the VA needing some kind of assistance. I think a detailed process is probably the only way to go, but you could get lucky and find a VA that just gets it, and understands that these sites are meant to FOOL search engines into thinking each property is owned by a different person.
     
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  7. captinjamestkirk

    captinjamestkirk Registered Member

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    Is this your friend or do you really think your going to get good quality web 2.0's for 3$ or less per property? This is exactly the type of crappy so called "HQ" web 2.0's the thread starter appears to be trying to avoid. No reasonable person is going to think you can get anything that is considered quality & unique for that price.
     
  8. Scritty

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    I didn't make that clear really. I find that employing someone semi permanent means a relationship builds up over time and the quality seems to get better as long as you have this trial period.
    Going to Odesk every 6 weeks to look for another VPA is dipping into the tombola again, and 2 in 3 are crap.
    Suzie has worked for me for 4 years now - though she's on a 3 month sabbatical at the moment. Her quality of work has got better and better over time. I now pay her $500 a month for 160 hours. (Which is almost 3x the average wage for her). I also spend another $200 a month for an agency that helped me find her and provides her with a safe place to work, a PC and an internet connection (that is sometimes better than mine).

    I suppose I've actually employed someone, but I often go freelance to Odesk or Elancer (as was) or even Iwriter or similar to get content done, images created or accounts set up if the workload for that month is too high.

    Since writing the original post I've had a PM in my inbox I think in response to this offering me a free WEB2 yet again. They sent a link to their best examples assuring me they would be brilliant.
    So this is a provider that saw my lack of faith in WEB2 providers, thought "We can do better than that" - cherry picked their best examples for me and.

    They were complete crap. Content thin, same images used, Bios were garbage, one real page and generic "About US" and other admin pages all the same. Just crap.

    Just for information and "So what does good look like to me" comparison;
    My best WEB2.0 properties have been around 3+ years, have dozens of unique (absolutely unique and readable "write once - post once" content) posts, loads of outbound links to other sites other than my own. Full and complete bios, correctly formatted content with images in the right places, correctly tagged. Some are even on premium versions of the WEB2 properties. Many are not WEB2 at all but bookmarking, "Reddit-a-like" discussion groups, real blogs and even some WIKI/Article sites to mix it up. A first tier that contains 20 of them (as a mean sort of example) might cost me $300 a year in upkeep and even then only forms part of an effective first tier for long lasting SEO.

    Caveat: None of this faf is needed for churn and burn. You can still get away with "whatever" most of the time.

    Cheers

    Scritty
     
  9. captinjamestkirk

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    Thanks for the info Scritty. I do not make churn and burn sites, but I also don't think you need 300$ web 2.0's that need as much upkeep as your giving (not saying I dont like what your doing), so when I see the commenters above all pointing out HQ web 2.0's and they are miles/years behind what your best web 2.0's it seems to me there is nobody offering a middle ground. I would think there is a market for this, and they should be able to get good at it.

    A> HQ ( a true one with 5 to 10 unique articles, that actually all focus on a niche and being useful. Not just stuffed kw crap.

    B> A monthly maintenance option to have them re-posted to with new content randomly each month

    C> Most of this, to make sure things look real. "My best WEB2.0 properties have been around 3+ years, have dozens of unique (absolutely unique and readable "write once - post once" content) posts, loads of outbound links to other sites other than my own. Full and complete bios, correctly formatted content with images in the right places, correctly tagged. Some are even on premium versions of the WEB2 properties. Many are not WEB2 at all but bookmarking, "Reddit-a-like" discussion groups, real blogs and even some WIKI/Article sites to mix it up. A first tier that contains 20 of them (as a mean sort of example) might cost me $300 a year in upkeep and even then only forms part of an effective first tier for long lasting SEO.

    Now I'm talking maybe a service that charges 50$ to setup each property, and then x a month to have content added. This is not as high quality as your best properties, but its miles ahead of what is available now. Maybe nobody does it because there are so many cheapo's on bhw and other forums who only see price as an indication of value. Im not sure. I would think a lot of B&M Corporate and anybody who really cares about long term results would pay for something like this, and I believe a service could potentially do it better than ME & MY VA could, and the benefit would be its something I dont have to think about and spend my time analyzing or training somebody to do correctly..

    I think i paid 6/7$ for my last package. This was a discount, and i bought 29 to test the service (Sooo glad I did this as a test of there service and did not send links to a money site I actually care about). I planned on having my VA continually add to the properties thinking they would be reasonable quality as sort of a beginning quality web 2.0 structure. But when you pay that price my I should have expected what I got as each site came with 1000 words of content to boot. I think you mentioned something about paying $500, and even that sucked. That surprises me, this is not something that is exactly rocket science and I hope somebody actually truly offers a real HQ network setup so i dont have to screw around with it myself.
     
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