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SEOMoz offering itself as a martyr to prove NegativeSEO works

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by gorang, Apr 21, 2012.

  1. gorang

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    http://www.webpronews.com/can-your-...e-of-competitors-negative-seo-2012-04#respond

    Rand Fishkin, the well known SEO expert and Founder/CEO of SEOmoz, has challenged the web to see if anyone can take down his sites' rankings in Google by way of negative SEO - the practice of implementing tactics specifically aimed at hurting competitors in search, as opposed to improving the rankings of one's own site. Fishkin tells WebProNews about why he's made such a challenge.


    So who's up for the challenge?
     
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    Buy all fiverr gigs!!!! :333:
     
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    Google will never harm their ass. Google Lurves moz asz. Dafuq with the lot of them.
     
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  5. BlueLemon

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    There is absolutely no chance of G penalizing SEOMoz. The number of backlinks that would be required to impose a penalty on SEOMoz is just unrealistic.
     
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    Unrealistic for one, or a handful of people. Get several thousand blackhatters to slam the shit out of it with XRumer, ScrapeBox and whatever else they have, and that'll make a dent.

    That being said, I'd much rather target Matt Cutts' blog. :biggrin1:
     
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    Adding links, even if spammy, to their site is only going to increase their rankings.
     
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    Negative seo wont work on them because of their caliber. But it will work on someone who is not at their level.
     
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    100,000 AA XXX post. Lol. What a ding dong. This reminds me of that guy that was telling everyone his social security number claiming he could not get ripped off. He did. :)
     
  10. DamageX

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    My bet is, he's actually counting on the backlink spam to work to his advantage, since he already has a VERY authoritative site. Which is really smart. However, to repeat what I said above, it will only benefit him to a certain level. If the spam level goes past a certain point, it'll sink him so deep, Titanic will look like a joke.

    On the other hand, making that offer in public also gives him a plausible excuse to use for a reconsideration request, should he get the dreaded "unnatural links" message.
     
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    Hit it with "google" anchor text and see what happens!
     
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    It would have been a lot more interesting if he offered this on a PR4 site that had authority in some medium competition niche.
    As I'm 100% certain the negativeSEO (even a modest amount) would work to destroy it....

    Since this is, roughly, 99% of the internet... (modest authority sites, or worse), this is what is particularly worrisome about the stance google has taken in the last 6 months. To me, him offering his site for martyrdom is more him suggesting negative SEO doesn't exist, yeah well, a semi determined person, especially now, could easily destroy established sites. Just go to HighPRsociety and ALN and start blasting a few thousand high PR links with the same anchor... it'll work, trust me. Yes, this will only work on medium/high comp niche sites that do not have the insane amount of raw links going into it like seomoz

    SEOmoz has a lot more authority than insurance websites... and a lot more monthly links. It's impossible to take it down with negativeSEO, however, most websites (99% of the internet) could be taken down with negativeSEO, now that google has taken this insane stance on backlinks.
     
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  13. DamageX

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    Nah, he's not that ignorant. Pretty sure it's nothing more than a PR move.

    Again, done in enough volume, it'll work on seomoz too. He KNOWS this. Which is why he pre-empted that move, should anyone try to nail him, by offering it to public abuse. "Unnatural links"? "Of course, I offered my site as an experiment, see my blogpost here!"
     
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    Just link to their site using animal porn anchors and other filth
     
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    I read a post yesterday from someone saying this SEOMoz guy kisses Matt Cutt's ass, and now I see why.

    SEOMoz is PR6, with a domain age from 2005.

    If graphed-out on a curve, what percentage of sites have old domains and high PR? 2% ? I wouldn't be surprised if it were even less. Maybe .5%. So if a high-PR site with an old domain isn't as dependent on the effect of backlinks (one way or the other), so what? When the other 95% of the world's web-sites are dependent on the effect of backlinks, and are therefore vulnerable to negative-SEO, then it really doesn't matter that SEOMoz is bullet-proof, does it?

    SEOMoz knows what they are doing, which in this case is lying. This article isn't about SEO, it's marketing.

    The fair way to test the effect of "involuntary" spam backlinks is to use a site that is more representative of the overall internet instead of a 7 year old PR6 site run by SEO experts that function as Google's corporate stooge.

    Beyond that, we all know that Google plays favorites, and will either cook SEOMoz's results in order to maintain the illusion of the objective and "fair" nature of their algorithm, or they will be forced to admit that they've opened the door for negative SEO as a viable strategy for out-ranking one's competitors.
     
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  17. Expertpeon

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    I have a ton of credit left at a host of high PR blogpost networks including highPRsociety... I'm really about close to farming an eznine article, autospinning it, and sending it to a competitor in one of my niches all with the anchor text "keyword". Try to put out at least 10,000 links with the same anchor (about 3 times the size of their entire historic link profile)
    This is a PR2 site, but their product is at GNC and they pay celebrities for endorsements and now, post changes in April, is ranking page 1 (previously they never ranked well in this highly competitive market)

    I think their site will disappear forever... personally. Will not know unless I try

    Negative SEO never ever worked too well for older sites with established branding (at the worst the links would have no effect), this is all different now.
    Anything without at least 30,000 natural links coming in a month is highly vulnerable...

    A lot of SEOers are changing their opinions about our entire field (though I think they're patently incorrect and are just incapable of thinking outside the box):
    http://trafficplanet.com/topic/2369-case-study-negative-seo-results/page__st__140

    The algo is still VERY easy to game (easier probably?), but building authority sites in niches will probably not be possible in the short term on their engine.
    This will undoubtedly have far reaching negative effects across tons of niches. There is no doubt that a lot of the major niches I'm in have much better results in bing/yahoo right now

    This all started because google did not understand this simple fact when they started deindexing and punishing people who used blognetworks and used a lot of the same anchors: These are your best customers, and a ton of real brands did this regularly...

     
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  18. ugjunk

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    SEOMoz knows that they won't get affected by this because they are already on a whole different level. They delivery top class contents and Google loves them.

    Or he might have some kind of contact with Matt Cutts which is why he is doing an open challenge :D
     
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    Rand Fishkin needs a break from his work a short trip to Hawaii will work wonder
     
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  20. gorang

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    I think it is possible with the combined power of this forum to destroy the site.

    However, Google might simply stick a spanner in works and stop SEOmoz from dropping just to lay waste to the negative SEO theories.

    If Google lets SEOmoz drop, then it basically destroy their credibility. They won't let that happen. As much as they like to claim they're a "whitehat" business they are still corruptible when there is money involved. Some would even say that these changes are actually part of a long term scheme to turn the first page of Google into paid results.

    Just look at the amount of sponsored listing cover the first page compared to 5 years ago.