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SEO Works!

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by cloakme, Aug 21, 2012.

  1. cloakme

    cloakme Regular Member Premium Member

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    I am seeing people complaining saying that this sucks or they have wasted two years of their life and all I have to say to anyone that is kicking rocks that you haven't tried hard enough. I am not saying I am making thousands and thousands of dollars a month but I have been able to make a decent wage. I had one site that was slapped hard by G that has made me an excess of over 20K because I still have customers from it before it was slapped. ( It's was for my own business not adsense and that jazz)

    It sucks when they take your sites out of the big G but you have to pick it back up and move on. Learn from your mistakes and move forward. don't sulk and stair at the screen. (I have done this a few times) At the end of the day you are what blocks yourself from making money.

    Try different ways. don't only use one method. Have a few adsense sites a few clickbank and best yet sell your own services or products. All the money goes to you then. These are a few examples but damn, if I see someone else say they cant do it I am going flip. There are so many articles on here showing backlink plans etc. Get up off your ass and do something!
     
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    Golden words...

    SEO = penguin update 1 - adapt, penguin update 2 - adapt ...
     
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    john1444 Elite Member

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    Yeah, i always tell people to diversify their income source.

    If possible, make use of more than one SEO service provider especially when you are not sure of the people you are using their service.
     
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    Saying SEO works is like saying the rain is wet. Ofc it works. Thing is most people suck at SEO.

    I can't disagree more. If your SEO requires you to adapt to google all the time you're doing it wrong. My SEO strategy has been the same since 2 years ago. Techniques are different to some extent but the strategy as a whole is the same and will be the same as long as Google uses links to rank sites. Panda, Penguin, whatever update is a problem only if you failed at building a proper site and doing proper SEO.
     
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  5. cloakme

    cloakme Regular Member Premium Member

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    That was the point. (A little sarcasm... ) ;)

     
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    Or cannot adapt and faaaaaail :(
     
  8. WrightWilliams

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    If SEO doesn't work it is literally only because you suck at SEO.
     
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  9. blackberry

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    With respect, I must disagree.

    Being diverse is great, but when google makes up 66.4% of all internet searches, you don't have much choice but to put your main focus on that.

    Sure I can for example diversify products and services across with Adsense and Clickbank and so on..but guess what? Google searches will be where these people come from (statistically) .

    I personally have several websites, and one of them is online since early 2009. That particular website made me some money consistently since late 2009.
    I did NO PAID MARKETING at all, it was all pure SEO and a bunch of articles and white-hat methods.

    Then along came Panda...did not get slapped. I actually had a boost in terms of keyword positions.
    Then along came Penguin...got slapped (i think) and now that particular website is on page 2 or lower for all my keywords.

    Guess what? I have done link building, articles, blog commenting, web 2.0 sites in tiers...and guess what...it didn't help much. So I have good reason to be enraged.
    Particularly so when it is a quality site that is in a niche.

    You also forget that having two websites doubles the work required...three triples the work required and so on.
    There is a lot to be said for over diversification where you have too many sites that don't make money because you (or me etc) don't have the time to maintain them (and its also expensive).

    Every Google update for website owners means that they have to fork out extra money and or time to get their website up in rankings. That in itself again is annoying.

    Sometimes I swear Google is anti-business :rocketwho





     
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  10. a32335

    a32335 BANNED BANNED

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    I personally think SEO has become easier than before. You guys just have to try different methods.
     
  11. Ninja250

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    You are assuming that we all get our traffic from Google, and that it is the only place to get traffic. There is a LOT of traffic on the internet, and that is what some people don't realize .. Diversify your income doesn't mean using different ways to monetize, but different strategies all together.

    Take a look at people in the PPC/Media Buys industry, they probably, on average make a lot more than people in SEO. There are people who make a living from youtube, some from forum traffic, some from social media.

    The internet is bigger than just 'Google' my friend!

     
  12. Scritty

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    QFT -

    Well said. SEO works - always HAS worked always WILL worked.
    Untill a search engine develops a quantum omniscience and omnipotent ability to not only read and understand the context of every work and link on the web (which -if you know nothing about quantum physics - let's just leave it as "not going to happen...ever..and I mean EVER) Then SEO will work.

    What constitutes effective SEO will change
    I second the OP's pont and add that hearing all these "yesterday's SEO" people moaning..well it's nothing new.

    I've been doing this since 1996 (or 2 years BG [before Google]) and these latest round of changes, while certainly noteworthy, are NOTHING compared to some of the wind changes that have occured in SEO over the past 16 years (BG links were not really even a factor in web design - my best tactic was keyword spamming in the borders with text the same colour as the background. Alta Vista and Yahoo LOVED it)


    Every time the wind changes we hear all this crap about "SEO not working" and 20% of the QQers leave the industry.

    GREAT - because until that 20% is replaced by "new blood" - the rest of us can adapt, survive and share up the slack they have left behind in terms of extra $'s in our pockets.
    The internet is making mare money every year - even in a global recession. If you want to quit - that's fine by me...

    But don't say SEO doesn't work - the truth is YOUR SEO doesn't work.

    Scritty
     
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    Basically Now a days People Hire SEO and they Use Tools and Spam the Hell of sites..and Things go wrong...I still Rely on Manual Links Majorly and Love Manual Teams Workings..So SEO not suck Basically Tools They use to SEO sucks..as Now a days Social media is Very Important ..Why?..Well it is because Not much Auto Tools are there for Social marketing..Once they Get Tools too as Xrumer like or some Tool Like Scrapebox..People will do A Very Huge Amount of Social Marketing and Kill it too..Like around 2 Years ago Directory Submission was one and Only best SOlution of SEO work..People Know that...But now a days its value is just 0.97% in SEO Point of View..Why? People have done a hell of Spamming and Auto Submission in Directories..Now a days People have Tools for Forum Profiles and Blog Comments and now they are a gone too from SEO point..Now a days People doing Major yahoo answer and Social Media..and I am saying Mark My Words..It will be Exclude from SEO Campaign after 7 Months too...
    But all in short if you do Update you self and Doing All Type of Links and diversity in links not in Income..and Rely on Major Manual SEO Teams which you can trust is BEST Deal of the Century....
    Your Safe with Every update and Every Downgrade..
     
  14. cloakme

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    Hey buddy, I am sorry about your site. I understand the more websites the more work. I have quite a few. As I said if you get slapped you just need to get up again. I am sorry for the websites that get hit but if they do either try to fix them or dump them and start over. I have found it to be easier to dump them and start over especially on small micro niche sites. I will get a new domain use wptwin to copy my old site and clone it then erase my old one. Then I wait for a few weeks and do some link building and hoala! I am back in the game.....

    For my main business I have 6 websites that our basically the same but look different and are worded different. I am link building to them all differently. If one gets slapped well f- it. I have have a few more. Are they all on page one for the same keywords? No of course not but I can concentrate on putting it there once/ if I need it.

    I actually have a service that I do for customers that go to my main business site. The websites drive traffic to give me more customers. This is my main income. But I have other things that make me money also. (adsense/click bank etc) That is why I am saying to diversify your portfolio. Worrying about one site (putting all your eggs in one basket) is not a good business concept. Business 101 a diversified portfolio. They even do this in the stock exchange.

    Again I am sorry you have been hit but obviously google doesn't give a crap so you need to forge another path.

    P.S. When I first started I threw everything I had at a few sites dropping them in Google after all these updates but since then I have learned again to diversify backlinks.

     
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  15. Duffers5000

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    SEO works for me Cloakeme.....Using savvy linking techniques from a diversity of places I have proved it to myself several times. However I suspect you may be in the same position as me.....My sites are good....they have a purpose on the web.....they are full of info and details and I work on updating them all the time.

    I do SEO because I feel I need to promote quality work... I want people to see it. 90% of my energy goes into design and content. SEO is just the push it needs to get noticed.

    SEO does not work(for very long) when you are laser targeting micro-micro niches with "alopeaciaintheNetherlands.info" two page type blogs
     
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  16. cloakme

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    Right, my main websites have many pages all with valid information. I am glad it is working for you bud!

     
  17. cloakme

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    No, if there are ads above the organic listing then those ads will get most of the traffic. Though I sold the website now and I got something reasonable for it.
     
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    My method is this, treat google like Office Space (The Movie).

    I do a lot of "White Hat" methods but I still do some "Black Hat" stuff. Its generally 80/20 = 80 white and 20 black. With that method I never have had an issue. Google is good but its almost too big to catch some stuff if you play your cards right.
     
  20. blackberry

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    Thanks CloakMe,


    I know what your saying, but i honestly dont want to dump the site. Its my main business.
    It is also branded well. It is not a 2 page site or a site focused on a niche that has ever been mentioned in BHW.

    I still make money from it every week, its just the income dropped by 60% since penguin.
    With too much time and money invested I dont want to dump it.

    So yeah your right I gotta find a new path. Maybe a new niche...not sure its quite hard to do that.




    Plus the fact that the homepage is PR2 with no OBL and the blog is a PR3 with no OBL.