Gee - finally landed here! Didn't know this place existed until I did a search for xrumer, not that I want to use it, but was just curious. Yea, I do white hat & figured it's time to find out about black hat. Maybe I'll use it, maybe I won't, but at least I feel I should know the strategies. And forums are great to learn stuff. I am very active at Digital Point Forums, and enjoy commenting (blasting) on topics that are beyond logic.