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seo stuff: myth or fact?

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by 7yearitch, Mar 2, 2014.

  1. 7yearitch

    7yearitch Regular Member

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    i'm trying to build an authority sites (several actually) and i've been reading a lot about seo and how you shouldn't do this, and you should let it age and all kinds of stuff. some people can back these statements up and some people just say it coz they heard or read it somewhere and it sounds really good.

    as a newbie i was stuck reading all of this stuff for quite a while before i actually made up my mind on an action plan and went with it.

    but here's a list of stuff that i think we should test for ourselves because in our line of work, results>theory:


    1. we should always let a domain age for awhile because it seems unnatural for a new domain to receive huge amounts of links

    - what if the domain belonged to someone who has a huge email list and did a huge guru style mega-launch and got 10000 links in a few days just from the email blasts and affiliates alone?


    2. we should watch out for link velocity when backlinking. best results are drip-feeding links over time

    - what if the owner of the business decided "screw seo! i'm going offline!" and actually went on the radio, tv, and newspapers. he does monthly campaigns and gets huge visitors and links to his site the first few days of a campaign, then the links begin to die off.
    -would he get penalized for unnatural links?


    3. before you build links to your site, you should build enough content to justify the no of links. build (insert amount) posts/pages then start building links.

    - sounds great, but what about tools? sites like ubersuggest, ifttt, and other sites have very minimal pages on their site but get truckloads of links from people who use them and find the tools useful.
    - also stuff that go viral, usually consist of just 1 pic, or 1 article, or 1 vid, minimum content but google doesn't penalize video for "what did the fox say" for example.

    4. old methods don't work anymore. seo is too expensive. might as well just use whitehat techniques and write good content.

    - if this is the case then big G is letting go of a significant amount of business. there are tons of niches where the community is not computer savvy at all and have no idea about list building or serps and whatnot.
    - what if these folks in these obscure but profitable niches (they do exist) swapped links with one another just because? would the google algo simply unindex them?

    let's discuss because it's better to be sure and test than to keep reading stuff other people are doing. hope this helps people who are on the fence to take action.

    feel free to add to the list any other myth/fact situations. all the best!
     
  2. grim111

    grim111 Regular Member

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    This question is for Black Hat SEO forum.
     
  3. 7yearitch

    7yearitch Regular Member

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    actually i started this thread for whitehat site owners who are too cautious about building links to their website and find it hard to rank as a result.

    unless you do email marketing and guru salespage style stuff, you need to rank in scroogle to get traffic. a lot of newbies are too wary about building links due to penalties and some of the stuff they worry about are just myths. IMHO at least
     
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    If I am using a brand new domain I first make sure that all my pages are indexed and then let it sit for a few weeks. I then start to point some contextual links to it using my URL / Brand Name / Website Name and other random 'Click Here' as anchor text. After a few weeks I then increase the velocity using automated software using something like GSA making sure I only use contextual style links and keeping the 'Money Keywords' to a minimum (5-10%). This way you are not going to raise any red flags. Later once the domain is a few months old you can increase the pace and increase the 'Money Keywords' ratio. I have found that this works best for me.
     
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    Since "breakthrough in science" is not about Google, i would assume they are using standard classification techniques to separate between "good" and "bad". They collect statistics about your site and its link profile, next they classify you - if you fall below the good/bad threshold, you're screwed.
     
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    jstover77 Executive VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    For every rule there is an exception in SEO. You can try to implement "best practices", but that is no guarantee. I don't think Google's own engineers can give you a solid answers for a lot of things SEO. Welcome to the wonderful and ambiguous world of SEO.
     
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    I second that..

    Welcome aboard
     
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    This is a good safety timeline for WH traffic building, to minimize Google problems. There is often nothing wrong with the particular on/offpage methods, it's just that many people do too much of it, too fast, with no diversity. This creates footprints and excessive link velocity that Google finds easy to catch and penalize. On page, the simplest thing to do to create natural authority is to write a few 1500-2000 word articles/posts, which SE studies have shown come off as more authoritative than a lot of 300-400 word mini postings. With content or with links, just a little done the right, goes a long way.

    For authority sites, buying an aged or just expired domain is the way to go if you want to acquire some built in authority and good DA backlinks, while saving you time on aging and indexing. At this point, linking should be done in SLOOOW motion, concentrating strictly on acquiring other aged domains with good authority, or building links from random, no-footprint authority sources. Basically, only if you've dug deep and are sure the page/domain has high authority, should you link it to your site. This will read as 'natural' authority site development to Google and help keep it from being designated as web spam.
     
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  9. 7yearitch

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    i agree with both these posts. as a whitehat site maker myself, i would take care to minimize problems with the spam team. but the question here is how much can we actually get away with if we actually tested?

    case in point:
    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...khat-spam-thon-ranking-scraped-site-spam.html

    pure blackhat spam, no unique content autoblog. he just scraped content and blasted the money site with links.
    he actually got it ranking and in the end managed to sell the site off for a profit.

    of course, the niche that he went into was more tolerant of "syndicated content" ie the news niche. but it's interesting how he didn't get penalized even with the most spammy links imaginable.
     
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    SEO is changing and changing. Today it works, tomorrow not.