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[SEO + Paid Traffic] Rebilling customers to $50k per month! (Negative Option Marketing)

Discussion in 'My Journey Discussions' started by royserpa, Feb 9, 2017.

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  1. royserpa

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    Hey guys,

    It's me, Roy, again! Now with another journey, but this time, it's about reaching $50,000 USD per month by rebilling customers!


    My story in short

    Started on IM a few years ago, started ranking sites and made around $60k overall.

    Tried to sell those sites here in bhw, but unfortunately, some guys took them down from Google. Funny enough, those sites are still bringing traffic from other search engines and still generating a lead here or there.

    Time passes, and instead of focusing on something I really knew (rank sites in Google), I started working with paid traffic and "lead arbitrage" on Insurance and Solar panels. I spent like 95% of the money I had but unfortunately, things go south and companies didn't pay. The best part is that I was not working with networks, but with the companies directly. I have a US LLC that was really helpful to get those calls returned and sign contracts and so.

    Though the last couple years I've been at the top and at the bottom several times, I know I have learned A LOT in this journey.

    In my first venture, I learned SEO and how the business worked.

    In my second venture, I learned how business is actually done as well on how paid ads worked!

    In my lead arbitrage business, I was buying and generating leads then selling them to providers. They played shady as they never credited all leads I sent, so I just played back at them to actually make a profit.

    Anyway!


    What's the plan?

    I started this rebilling business a few months ago, though it took me a while to set everything up.

    One thing that I could see is that following the FTC's rules on negative option marketing is a must. You could bypass the law but unfortunately, I do have a US LLC, so I really don't want to get in trouble with Uncle Sam :D

    So, what's the plan?


    Well, it's not really a plan as I have set up everything and it's all about promoting it.

    The plan is to build a site and both, rank it in Google for a ton of keywords as well as promoting it through Native Advertising.


    The beauty of this is that I am an affiliate no more! No more freaking companies not paying, no more bullcrap like that!

    This means I can promote this ANY WAY I want, even blackhat methods!

    When you are an affiliate, you are bound to rules, promotional methods and whatnot. When you own your own product, well the sky is the limit!


    What's the setup?

    Well, at this time I have a couple of JVs with some guys, but I won't get in detail as I want to discuss here only what I do with this.

    Right now, I have several domains that are used as "landing pages" for paid advertising as well as a central domain that will be the one to be ranked.

    Let's delve into SEO and Paid Traffic, shall we?


    [SZE=7]Part 1: SEO[/SIZE]

    This is the boring part of the journey. It will be tedious and won't bring a dime until it's ranking. For the SEO part, I am expecting to get my first sale in around 7 months from now. I will not only have the site full of content but also it's all about ranking!

    The plan is to build a huge central site and I will create several "clusters" of articles to overcome my competition.

    Overcoming the competition is not only a battle of links but also, of content and do more than the one at #1.

    When I built my first clash of clans site (http://teens99.net), I was outranking the competition due to my content and how I built my site. That site had at most 30 pages, yet I was ranking for TONS of clash of clans keywords.

    I might discuss advanced SEO techniques but I will only do so if things go right.



    Part 2: Paid Traffic

    Last year I learned how to profitably create ads on Native Advertising networks and I am going to use that knowledge to crush this market all over again. The best part is that there is no third party company that can F me over except the payment processor. Though, to get screwed by the payment processor is a signal that your product is not good enough.

    Anyway, I believe this will be an interesting part of the journey, as it's all about generating great landing pages and successfully make the users go through our sales funnel.



    Part 3: FREE Traffic!

    Yeap!

    This is a surprise part of the journey!

    This is where I will be using my passion for the industry to actually get to a lot more users than through only SEO and Paid ads.

    This is the part that will make the site a true authority and a go-to site for the information and products.

    I'm talking about of creating an authority youtube channel, social media profiles as well as building a profile on forums and even Q&A sites like Quora, for example.

    I expect this to be the most entertaining part of the journey that I will mostly enjoy.



    Product Owner vs Affiliate

    One big advantage over an affiliate is that you can promote your product any way you want! Sure, you can be an affiliate and cloak your traffic and whatnot, but when you are a product owner, you don't care about cloaking anything as you don't need to!

    There will be networks where cloaking is still an advantage, but still, the price point is a HUGE advantage over affiliates!

    When you are an affiliate you are likely to have a cap on how much you make per lead upfront, but when you are a product owner, you CAN lose upfront but still banking on the long term due to the Lifetime Value of your customers!

    Also, when you are an affiliate, you are BOUND to the mercy of advertisers as they can decide not to pay you (coughSHAVINGcough) or even take down the offer.

    Some disadvantages are support and other stuff like that, but you can just hire an assistant to do all those boring tasks and that's it!



    Revenue Milestones

    This is a long term project and I expect to hit the $50,000 per month mark in about 2 years from now.

    The breakdown is simple. At the moment I am charging the customers $50 upfront then they are rebilled $100 once the "trial" period is over.

    To hit $50,000 per month through rebills alone, I will have to get only 500 customers. At 500 customers, while covering the churn rate by continuing advertising, I would achieve that $50,000 per month mark.

    When you think about it, it's pretty simple in those numbers. I'm not even counting first charges, but only rebills and at 500 customers rebilled per month, this is a really good number to achieve.

    At this time, I am testing a lot of ways to implement the negative options marketing as well as the trial period and first charges.


    So, the revenue milestones are:
    (This revenue doesn't add up what I'm doing with my JVs)

    [] $1,000 USD total
    [] $2,500 USD per month
    [] $5,000 USD per month
    [] $7,500 USD per month through REBILLS alone
    [] $15,000 USD per month
    [] $25,000 USD per month
    [] $40,000 USD per month
    [] $50,000 USD per month
    [] $50,000 USD per month through REBILLS alone
    [] $50,000 USD per month PROFIT
    [] $50,000 USD per month PROFIT through REBILLS alone


    As you can see, the goals are quite ambitious, but when you breakdown the numbers, the numbers become extremely achievable.

    To achieve the $50k per month through rebills alone mark, I only need 500 customers!

    The beauty of this is that I have achieved those numbers before (last year), but companies didn't pay me at all :(



    Time to succeed, people!
     
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    Nice tags, Roy.
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    Haha but i can't edit them! xD

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    Well, I didn't know when a mod tags couldn't be removed.

    Drat![​IMG]

    There you go, I removed them.
     
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    I'm rooting for you Roy, no doubt you'll succeed.

    Couple questions though,

    Is this a Product or Service?
    Digital I assume?

    I will be following your journey closely, since I am on a similar business path, just have not done SEO before, started out doing Mass Botting on SM with CPA offers, then went to paid in the Muscle Niche, got tired shaving and am now starting a High Ticket Rebill biz with my skills.


    Will you be mass botting on SMs or building a few Authority profiles?

    Anyway great thread
     
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    Ok, guys, I'm back from my shortish 4 months vacation!

    All I can say is that in that timeframe, I made around $100k, sold a site and I'm currently tackling this project!

    If everything goes as planned, I will end up with about $300k by the end of this year.

    I am currently planning how I will proceed the next few months and I will be updating this thread daily! :)

    Next year, I want to sell this site for at least 7 figures, so everything that I'm going to do these next months is going to be crucial for success!


    Thanks bro!

    This is a digital product, based on negative marketing or also known as rebills.
    How's your High Ticket Rebill Biz going? Hopefully you had it up and running since you posted this? :)

    Hey, got skype? let's talk! Add me: omegapiratejoe
     
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    Glad to see you back man!

    Yes, launched 2 months ago. It turned into something I did not expect it to be, but its been a great experience so far.

    Added you on Skype.
     
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    Rebills are the shit, i've done some shady stuff in the past with rebills and you'd be amazed how no one even bothers to chargeback..
     
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    Got it! Did we speak on skype already?!

    Yup, people think they "care" about their money, but they really don't :D
     
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    Funny enough, it seems payment processors don't like my business :D

    SO! The only option is to go with Stealth accounts! :D

    Everything in my business is set up in a stealth way, so I'm not sure if I will be able to sell it, but I will make a ton of money

    As I'm going stealth, I'm going to do lots of accounts, so on each account I have to go fast and do a lot of volume on them.

    Here's a pic:

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    I don't think next accounts will be that big, but they will be coming in numbers, so I might go as little as $200 and as high as $3k maybe.

    From the pic, about $12k was profit, so yea good business :D

    Promotion ways? Native ads all the way! ;)

    Will keep you updated soon.

    Also, I'm not doing rebills as I have multiple accounts, but I'm doing a free trial kind of thing so that people are rebilled once in a big chunk of money and I don't get to lose any due to chargebacks and so haha

    I guess going stealth is the way to go with rebills!
     
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    What you mean sucessfull payments ,
    If someone dont pay you dont supply the service?

    What are you acually offering the customers ..

    Seo?
     
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    Good luck with your journey. I was almost gonna buy your sites. Can't wait for developments.
     
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    Hey man nice numbers. I've recently been running some rebill / free trial products myself, what do your chargeback numbers look like? No matter how clear I make the terms, people always complain once they get that full price charge.
     
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    What I meant is that my payment processor charges the customer's card and then I deliver the product (or service, whatever they buy) then proceed to rebill them until that payment processor account is closed.

    Well, I won't reveal my product or service, but I am offering something as a "trial" where after X days they charged a big amount and so, until they cancel. So, as I am making tons of payment processor accounts, they will be charged big, I will get tha transfer but I won't be paying the chargeback (if any) :p

    Native ads 100% bro. Not gonna waste time on SEO. I've ranked sites, but it's just too much time to rank nowadays. Sure, seo is heck of a roi, but I prefer fast money, baby! :D

    Thanks man!

    Ha! Those sites were taken down by some jealous bhw members, but as always, you gotta come up top to keep in this game ;)

    Thanks, great numbers incoming :D

    Well, people are always going to chargeback or ask for refund. In the end, I always give back the money. The chargeback ratio is around 0.5% or so, which is really REALLY Low imho in this industry.

    Seriously, the dumber the people are, the lower the chargeback is. Just a big golden nugget :p
     
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    Yea .5% is pretty great, good shit. I like the idea of many stripe accounts. I moved off onto high risk merchants which don't die as fast, but aren't as easily integrated into things as stripe.
     
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    WTF... whats your in ads investment? :D
     
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    So you're currently bill them for the trial in the beginning and after a month or so you rebill a second, much higher, payment? Great sales so far!