SEO IS DEAD! Prove me wrong if you can! (Hint: You can't)

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  1. Kuem

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    YouTube videos and articles about AI won't get you better at seo. Just like YouTube videos about basketball won't make you better at soccer. Take some time on the playing field because that's the best way to learn
     
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    Because it is AI is just manmade code mate, it isn't God and if you look closely there are still many loopholes to exploit
     
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    There are hundreds of millions of keywords, and every day regular people create and search based on new keywords, only a fool will try to compete with whales when there are so much others keywords what can be ranked and bring traffic back. OP you know so little about SEO and anything related to SEO.
     
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    Everything is dead :) , let's put an end to our days...or maybe Mcdonalds its a better option...

    P.S im fucking tired of BS threads created by some emo guys who are trying to find a good explanation for their failures:) well , if they think so, who can contradict these people?
     
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    Your argument us quite frankly a joke. Go and check out the top ten in any of the billions of niches. They are all ranked using SEO. End of argument.
     
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    It's hard to argue with someone who failed to rank his week-old website and came here to complain about it!

    Google cares only about it's users, if the user didn't get what he wanted, he won't use google again, and this's what I did for some keywords, I moved to bing when I didn't find quality content for what I'm looking for.

    So, google will only prefer websites with quality content to make it's user happy, and if you can't provide that, you don't deserve to rank in any search engine.
     
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    Thanks for the tag into this shitshow, @Billy Batts. @MOTIVE2015 is correct, for the most part, even if he does come across as a completely obnoxious know-it-all who has zero clue about how SEO works outside of a few articles he has read and a website he can't even rank.

    SEO is not dead, though.

    The "blackhat" facet of it is clearly in its death throes, mainly due to the AI and machine learning Google has introduced slowly into its algorithm.

    More blackhat doors are closing than opening, and it's likely this way because blackhat SEO practitioners are starting to not look for unlocked doors any more, and instead choosing to go with the more grey and white doors that are already wide open.
     
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    Lol you do know ai so this time is all about the input and training data. While it will learn from that, of you spin it up completely differently it either won't know what to do or the result are shit/too broad.

    Try Google Assistant features on and image and you will see that it may get a lot of common ones right, but as soon as the object etc looks more obscure it gives you a very broad category at best.

    All that to say, SEO isn't dead but yeah of course just running gsa etc 24/7 without any changes will likely not get you any results.

    On your other point to back up it's dear you reference Apple, or do we want to take Amazon as well?

    They optimize for SEO far less than lots of smaller sites but their authority just gets then tracked ranked more easily. Amazon spends money in conversion optimization ,not SEO(don't believe me, well check tons of their page metrics and you will see)
     
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    You know what AI doesn't have, @MOTIVE2015 ? Intuition. It will have a defined list of sites that it trusts, and as long as you're able to game THOSE sites, google will almost certainly be forced to trust yours as well.

    @Sherb is right. Most "blackhatters" are fucking lazy these days. Totally fine by me.
     
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    OK, cool...SEO is dead...in that case what the Marketers do in the Marketplace section?? :D:D
     
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    Its not safe to agree that AI algorithms will kill off any and every opportunity for a company to get rankings. The search results mostly cater to big authority sites who are essentially a branded entity. If perhaps your trade or industry is a localized one, you'd probably have a good chance of ranking if you take proper measures to make your business into a recognized brand that has some news about it's activities.

    I'd say SEO has already taken on a path where it needs to be combined with some paid traffic strategies,or even PR events to really have the best ROI.

    Its only dead if you have no clue about what you are doing
     
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    The weekly « I can’t rank a site so SEO is dead » thread. Loves them.

    Edit: On top of that, he’s also a BTC guru. Bought the dip and sold at the highest. Legends are born when there’s blood on the street...
     
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    Your argument is flawed. AI is not as simple as giving a computer a task, and letting it get on with it.

    If I had a basket of apples and pears mixed together, I could ask a person to pick out all of the apples and put them to one side. He would do that successfully, he would even pick out the apple that was cut in half - because he can think.

    If I taught a computer what an apple looked like, and asked it to accomplish the same task, it would not pick out the apple that was cut in half.

    While AI is always learning, it will not understand a chopped in half apple is a chopped in half apple until a person tells it that it is.
     
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    SEO is a concept, to optimize your website for better ranking, it is NOT a one idea, it is NOT one method and it is NOT constant and/or non-changeable.

    Google search engine is based on algorithms that is the AI you are talking about, it is working and updating, and people adapting to new methods, this is not new, and with years everything keeps changing, look at a 5 or 6 years ago, all the blackhat tools was getting you fast rankings within a few days maybe less, now it is not the case at all.

    So yeah many blackhat methods are not working anymore and more to come, and white seo is a little bit slower each time, and it is way harder to rank now, but this is because the websites numbers are huge, and everyone is working on his/her website, and you just have to do a better job at it.

    So to put it in other words, SEO is NOT dead and will NEVER be dead, because simply you adapt to the changes and try new things and so on.

    Saying that it is dead is like saying hacking is dead because someone implemented a new security software or something, which is as you can see with years EVERYTHING getting cracked, because in the war between security and hackers, it is adapting fight, just like anything else, the only problem is the good methods are not being shared as it used to be leaked before.

    And the great guys in the field won't tell you their secrets and so on, you only know the basics, and you will understand that when you try ranking by yourself, it is actually working but HARD, maybe you thought hard was impossible, anyway AI or not an AI, as I said, nothing will last, and everything changes and people adapt and create/find loopholes all the time, nothing perfect.
     
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    No it doesn't, if you're not familiar with the tokens you can use like " " and stuff, almost everything Google spits out is outdated crap data, if you don't adjust time and you don't know how to format a query like the majority of everyday people you will be getting outdated shit, great when you do history, terrible when you try to figure out something with your computer off software problems you might have.

    Just do a search and you will see how terrible the AI (if it exists at all) is

    Google really doesn't give a shit about its users, just its stockholders, that are the ONLY users Google is interested in and that is fine by me, because of that i know they will not plug every loophole in the system anytime soon. :D
     
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    Seo will never die because there are a lot of keywords that aren't being targeted by Big companies and someone(the seo) has to rank for that keyword
     
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    So you compared, a game, a calculator and a youtube algo with the SEO algo?
    You realize how different all of these are?

    If the Algo fails at a game? No damage done, just make a new algo and restart the game.
    If the Algo fails at a calculator? No damage done, just throw away the calculator.
    If the YT Algo fails at recommending videos? No damage done, user leaves YT, then comes back again. Heck the YT Algo fails so much that it can't properly sort parts. Did you watch part 1 and part 2, you will love to watch part 13.

    But what if the Algo fails at penalizing sites?

    Congratulations you deleted hundreds of thousands of legit websites, just to caught a few hundredth doing SEO.

    Also you have to remember that Google has a LIMITED amount of employees, they might have a BIG (NOT UNLIMITED) budget which means they have a LIMIT on what they can do. And they spend this budget on algos that are important, their top priories will always be Malware, Misleading sites, Phishing sites and so on.
     
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    but you dont have to beat AI, you have to beat your competitors, you only have to be better SEO than your competitor is
     
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