SEO IS DEAD! Prove me wrong if you can! (Hint: You can't)

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  1. satyr85

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    I was about to write long reply here, but there is no point in arguing with OP when he knows everything ;)
     
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  2. MOTIVE2015

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    Meaning from Google "the process of maximizing the number of visitors to a particular website by ensuring that the site appears high on the list of results returned by a search engine."

    How do you make yourself appear high on list? By making sure your site is good enough to be shown for particular search.

    Who decides your site is good enough? The algo made by Google AI.

    Wha AI compares your site to? Thousands of factors

    Thousands of factors like? Content, links, age etc.

    Can you change your content and make it good enough to beat wikipedia? No! You can try creating your content and page best for SEO but you won't rank until you also are good on other factors like links.

    How do you get links? You create yourself (against rules by Google) or you pay people to link you (against).

    So, Can you tell me how I can rank for keyword "How to lose weight" but only following basic SEO (which is white-hat in your case)
     
  3. MOTIVE2015

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    The good old "I know everything but I won't share with another person because I am too smart for this argument."

    btw, I am talking about SEO in current stage and future.
    So, I am talking about AI is currently changing SEO world (beginning) and how it will be in future.

    It's just a discussion on how a person can't beat an AI bot. (Wheather present or in future)

    So, If you have a valid argument against it, you are more than welcome to share it.
     
  4. LightningKing

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    No normal person on this forum would even think about outrank Wikipedia. That why KWs research exist...

    But yea you're right. SEO is dead. Dead AF. People! Stop doing IM and get a 9-5 job. McDonald would be a great starting point.
     
  5. SamLewis

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    Well this is the good old I've read one article now think I'm a pro in the subject thread.

    AIs are programmed by people... an AI bot is just as good or bad as the people that wrote it.
     
  6. PowerPath

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    Black hat SEO might be going dead. But there is still a lot we can do with grey and white hat SEO.
     
  7. MOTIVE2015

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    NOTE: This discussion is about how a person cant beat an AI bot.
    AI Bot is here to impose rules set by Google (better results for search and stop the manipulation)
    True but I am talking about SEO done by majority of people (black hat)

    And white hat SEO is not even half as effective in getting the site ranked compared to black hat SEO.
     
  8. Grimasaur

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    i think you are missing the main point you dont have to BEAT ai , its not like its AI VS PEOPLE , ai its the controller so you follow the rules of google
     
  9. SamLewis

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    Shhhhhh
    Don't ruin his dreams.
     
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  10. MOTIVE2015

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    Not my point. My point is
    > SEO is dead in a sense that you no longer can depend on it as a way of getting traffic
    > You can't manipulate the results for that long now and SEO is dead because it will not be your major source of traffic for that long

    > People used SEO to complete their week-old website to big sites and outrank them. Making harder to manipulate the factors means that you will have to create a website from scarch and work years to even complete normal search terms.
     
  11. SamLewis

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    I think you've been reading to many posts by "gurus" who make out that they can rank a website in a week. It has never really been like that, not for over 10 years.
     
  12. MOTIVE2015

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    I have not read one article or two, but read at least 50 and watched 30-40 videos on how AI works and I am been reading news related to AI from past many months.

    The problem with AI is that, It is self taught and better than humas.

    See the Google AI beating the GO game player.
    If AI did what humans told it to, then AI would never be able to beat the BEST human in that game but instead, AI beat him because AI did what it taught itself. Not what humans told the AI to do.
     
  13. Grimasaur

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    i think that most of the most powerfull people on seo allways say "seo its for the long run" so yeah you wont be able to compete with the big brands with your week old website? well thats fine for me now we will get more quality websites
     
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    Wikihow, wikipedia etc.. won't rank for all keywords in the world, especially commercial keyword. If BlackHat SEO exists, then you can do it to rank. If it's "dead" like you're predicting then everyone will be on the same boat, and everyone would need to do white hat SEO i don't see where is the problem. We will adapt, like we did until now with each google updates.

    But, as even your title made clear that you won't change your mind at all, i see no point discussing with a close-minded person like that.

    Yeah, that pretty much sums the problem of a filter bubble. So happy life in your own stuck vision reading only what you agree with...
     
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    Who on earth would try to outrank apple.com or wikipedia even before AI ?
     
  16. MOTIVE2015

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    Everyone WATCH this video before saying

    machines can be beaten. This video shows how Youtube ALGO works on selecting the best videos and how AI are taught to be better than humans.




    This is how Youtube algo works.
     
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  17. SamLewis

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    And you haven't read one article about SEO, if you have you havent understood it.
     
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    Why do you have to "beat" AI when it comes to ranking sites? Why not just make awesome websites with great content (shocking idea, I know), and do outreach to get backlinks from semi-authoritative sites? It's really not very hard. Make some infographics that are actually worth sharing. Do expert roundups featuring the top 20 bloggers in your niche (unless you're in IM, been beat to death in this industry), publish, then let them know it's live and ask if they want to share with their readers. The list goes on.

    Build something of value - a decent branded site, and you can rank. Who cares if you don't rank for "apple" - only an idiot would try. That comes down to keyword research, and if you do that part wrong nothing else will matter; but there are plenty of keywords you can build a real site around that can overtake others for solid serp positions. No need to go head to head with AI, there are plenty of legit ways to build a real authority site.
     
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  19. SamLewis

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    Because thats not the point of his post, he wants to believe that AI will take over and wants confirmation off of other people.
     
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  20. Dominor001

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    I know AI is extremely powerful, but even so, maybe current SEO techiques are dead okay, but SEO is about competing against other people not competing AGAINST google. So the one who gets the best out of the new system will win. As you can search in google, SEO still exists. If you can no longer trick the system with blackhat methods. Fine, there is still good old whitehat competition. SEO is not dead. And big companies like you said maybe rank for the word apple yeah but who the hell tries to compete with that there are still billions of keywords to target..
     
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