SEO IS DEAD! Prove me wrong if you can! (Hint: You can't)

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  1. MOTIVE2015

    MOTIVE2015 Registered Member

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    The thing that majority of people don't understand is that you are competing against a multibillion-dollar company with employees working 24/7 to do what is profitable for the company.

    SEO will no longer be a *profession* and something you can do easily to get traffic. Start saving up to spend dollars buying little traffic from Google AdWords in near future.

    The biggest threat to SEO and online marketing is AI (Artifical Intelligence)
    I won't be even little surprised that Google now has finally implemented AI into search results. AI is already used in the banking system and can easily detect fraud transactions out of millions of transactions taking place.

    Finding and removing value to useless links, finding patterns, fake links, paid links is a super easy job for the AI.
    The fact that it removed so many sites from index every week shows the BEGINNING of AI. Now on, AI will be improved a lot less and fewer ways to rank sites without paying Google for traffic.

    Machine learning can easily scan 1,000,000 links every minute and improves at a rate 1000 times more than the rate at which average jobless SEO person improves.

    Examples:
    1) Google AI beats GO player (For those who don't know, Go has more ways of playing than there are atoms in the observable universe.)
    The AI is self-taught without any code telling it how to play. It itself learns to play! It is a life-changing development in machine learning.



    2) OpenAI (Founded by Elon Musk) has a team of 10 people working on AI that can beat the world champions in DOTA 2. The AI taught itself to play the game and win within just two weeks of working and learning.
    It learns within a week what masters learn through YEARS of hard training.

    For those who don't know, Dota is a pretty hard game and getting to PRO level is extremely hard. VALVE has a yearly multi-million dollar competing in which top players complete to win millions of dollars.

    AI beat the world's best player.




    You can't match the perfection and improve yourself against an AI bot that is self-taught.

    Google wants to suggest best sites for your search questions and wants to remove sites that want to get traffic from Google without paying for Google Adwords. Google will make that happen.

    It's no longer old algorithms that are rigid form and can be manipulative. It's an advanced AI that changes what search results to show for same question but it shows different results for different people to give best answers.

    Small players that just create random blogs with not enough budget and buy links to try to manipulate their site's trust will no longer to done in near future.
    It's not only Google. Facebook (Instagram) also uses AI to detect spam accounts, posts and to check if to remove the reported content from Facebook or not without any human intervention.

    You alone are currently competing against an AI. You can't possibly beat it.

    For those who say, "Nothing is impossible".
    Why don't you try beating a calculator?

    You CAN'T! No matter how many hours you work and try your level best. No human can beat a BOT.

    BOTs can calculate thousands of things about your website/account (and use it's available data to find spam)


    BUT.....


    There is still one little hope.


    You can build your own AI that can find ways to beat Google AI.
    But at the end of the day, Building AI requires highly talented and hardworking team of professionals.
    People without $100,000+ budget can't create their own advance AI.

    Let's discuss below your thoughts on AI and it impacts on modern world and marketing.
     
  2. danixD

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    Some pro players defeated openAI multiple times even if they didn't report it. Dendi isn't good like some years go ( Dota 2 ) and yea seo is dead
     
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    davids355 Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    Totally agree. SEO is dead.
     
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  4. SamLewis

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    How do you know my SEO company isn't using AI to rank?
     
  5. MOTIVE2015

    MOTIVE2015 Registered Member

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    Because.....

    .... Most SEO "companies" are not even companies. It's just bunch of guys that think they are "special" because they make money online while they hardly work 5 hours a day and without any worthy degree.

    AI requires team of professionals (smart people with good degree) that work hard to create AI.
    Hiring a single smart employee will cost you around $5,000/per month in salary. So, Hiring a team alone will make $50,000+ monthly salary paid.

    While most SEO "agency" hardly earn $5,000 monthly.

    Only multi-national companies with SEO department can even think of making their own AI.
     
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    Google is finished and will sell to facebook at a knock down price.
     
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  7. MOTIVE2015

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    My point was not about the AI beating the game. It was about AI is playing a game with so many possibilities and strategy.
    The AI was self-taught, It alone is a huge development.

    OpenAI is still a non-profitable group while Google isn't.
    OpenAI has only 10 guys that worked on AI to beat Dota while Google has a lot more.
     
  8. Grimasaur

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    The fact that there is ai behind doesnt change anything at all this is the internet you got changes everyday you just have to adapt, if a person can legit make a website top 1 you can do it too
    Btw do you even understand whats ai? Or how they work? If ai detects your shit links then stop using shit links
    The ai only means that if you do a good job you would get more value from it
     
  9. SamLewis

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    An AI is just another name for a bot.

    I can download most AIs from githib for free.
     
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    GO could be fake, they could be paid highly.

    in Dota theres less reaction time for bots and AI than for humans. thats why some people use Bot Of Legends in league of legends. its like the moment (milisecond) bot sees your character is performing attack from distance animation, he will try to avoid it. its cheating. same about cooldowns, bots can rememberize it (shortest time between using same spell once by enemy), not to mention they could have loaded cooldowns beforehanded
    google ai has to check miliard of websites
    also google AI is that smart yet still sites with english spun content can rank. how come? maybe even if its smart, its too heavy to use it on global scale
     
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    Not this shit again

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    SEO is dead ? again ?

    Come on... SEO is Search Engine Optimization so as long as search engine exists, there will still be ways to optimize site A over site B because site B doesn't give a shit about it and is also shit for users.

    Of course black hat methods will be harder and harder and less common as Google improves, but no one ever told that BlackHat ranking is meant to rank forever
     
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    Woow @Asif you are lightning fast with your reply's lol :D:D
     
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  15. MOTIVE2015

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    I just love reading about things that will shape our future and share my own viewpoint on the subject.
    BTC literally go to $20,000 and dropped below $10,000.
    But I still invested well in BTC when it was around $8,000 and sold at $17,000.

    I don't hate things. I just love sharing my viewpoint on the subject and discuss with rest of the community.

    You can't improve yourself against a FLEXIBLE algorithm.
    Old Google updates were rigid (One written algorithm that has thousands of parts) and SEO professionals used to find main parts of algo and use it against it .

    AI does NOT have a rigid algo that it is forced to follow.
    AI is given a task (To give best search results and remove bad sites that are trying to manipulate) So, It keeps of improving every second of the day and changes it's self-taught algo to provide users with best results for your search.

    So, The AI itself can't be beaten because it is 24/7 learning and advanced than a human ever possibly could.
     
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    Fair enough, I suppose
     
  17. MOTIVE2015

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    True but can you try beating wikihow, wikipedia, news sites, big forums for high volume search terms without getting into shady stuff? Of course, You can try white hat SEO and can get results after a long time but majority of people want quick results (within one year)

    And I am talking about SEO for small companies and individuals here. Who don't have enough time and budget to keep running business for long time before traffic comes.
     
  18. MOTIVE2015

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    Can you please give brief answer why "AI is just another bullshit"?
     
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    1) You can't beat apple.com for keyword "apple" no matter how hard you try. So, If a person is able to get #1 rank for a keyword, it is highly unlikely that I can too unless I have a big budget to compete against apple brand.

    2) Again, AI is NOT taught that one site is shit and another is not. It is provided with thousands of factors and millions of links that it itself studies and improves and itself categorizes one site is not worthy and other is worthy.


    3) Even $1000/per link from big networks can be considered as "shit" link by AI if that link seems unnatural to AI when compared to normal linking patterns followed by million other websites.
    So, It would be able to compare your link with thousands of factors that is provided by Google itself while your top SEO guy only takes care of a bunch of factors.

    4) Can you please show me you beating wikipedia for even one search term. You can't beat wikipedia unless you have a site as big and worthy as wikipedia (in that case, you are already getting millions of views and don't need further SEO done)

    SEO is done by those people with month old website and hardly few thousand dollars.
    So, Yes. If another person can do it, you still can't do it unless you are better than another person itself. (Here another person is big websites which are 6 year old compared to your week old website)
     
  20. theIMMachine

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    Okay sir, I agree.
    But could you tell me the meaning of SEO aka Search Engine Optimization - word by word?