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Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by tony_d, Dec 12, 2013.

  1. tony_d

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    I often observe people, when discussing how 'difficult' a keyword is to rank for, referring to the average monthly searches.

    I don't see how the average monthly searches have anything to do with how difficult a keyword is to rank for? Other than, perhaps, the incidental relationship between search volume and how many others are trying to rank for that keyword...

    Am I missing something? It just doesn't seem logical that a higher volume would mean a different (or tweaked) algorithm is used to rank the results...
     
  2. NoelP

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    IT has more to do with how competitive a keyword is. In other words, if tons of people are targeting a given keyword on their blog for ranking purposes, it will be harder for anybody else to rank. Does that makes sense?
     
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    I think NO and when people are talking about the monthly search volume then i am certain they are talking about this

     
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    Let's have an example here.

    Let's say the keyword "Dog Training" has about 10,000 people trying to rank the same keyword. They keep on building backlinks to their website and pushing their website to page 1 of google. If you're trying to rank for that keyword it would be profiled as a Competitive keyword since it's harder to rank than if a person has this keyword "best printer in the world" which let's estimate about 2,000 people ranking for it.

    Do you get it now?
     
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    You're right that searches alone don't mean difficulty.

    But it comes from supply x demand that a search term with lots of searches monthly will have lots of demand for it. If there's demand, then it implies there are as many competitors. BUT this is not always true.

    The key to banking hard is to find a niche with big demand and low competition. That's an "easy" kw because there's no competition, but you better be fast because it takes a couple weeks for all the competitors to sniff your cash and come after that new golden niche.

    The absolute worst enemy you have is Google. They're in competition against everyone, they're looking for golden niches day and night and setting adwords prices at absurd levels even if there is zero competition for niches.

    Adwords will increase the "auction" price of clicks even if there are ZERO competitors ....you try and explain that and you'll see how Google makes billions of $$$ out of thin air.
     
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  6. tony_d

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    Indeed, but I think the only reason that's 'not cool' is because of their monopolistic market position.
    When I sold services to clients in the past I would invent pricing solely depending on what I thought it was worth to them - and nothing else. I just took the revenue that I estimated I was generating for them, and picked a number somewhere between 10 and 15% of that, and that became my fee :)

    However, I accept that G doing the same, considering their position, is not the way forward.
     
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    No of searches cant never tell you the exact competition. The people who do judge "keyword's competition" with no of searches ..they are missing something, NOT you.
     
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    I use this for measuring the difficulty, very useful and analyzes a lot of metrics -
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    https://serpiq.com/
     
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    Your right dude. # of searches means nothing. Earlier this year I ranked a 550,000 monthly searches keyword pretty quickly to page #1. Left it alone though, since I didnt see enough money from it.
     
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    I second this. Very useful tool if you really want to know how difficult the competition is.
     
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    They use search volume because they assume the higher the volume the more people are targeting it.

    The best way to determine competition is to look at who is already ranking and coming up with something better to offer. Lots of people here focus on being "just the same," and that's not gonna cut it. You have to ask yourself if you can be better than the competition and if you offer something of value that isn't already in the first 1-20 results.
     
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    It's simple: The more searches a term has, the more websites competing for that term.
     
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    Yeah, I think you've already got it - people here just mention it because it gives you a ball park feel for the term they're ranking..

    People aren't using this to tell if their keywords are high competition, they're just using those numbers to get the point across to other people that it's as competitive as the average keyword of that many monthly searches would normally be.
     
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    Google should respect us more....they'd have a strong base of pretty knowledgeable allies. Instead they choose profit no matter what. Not good.
     
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    haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahaha

    you a funny guy