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SEO Companies who notoriously use black hat techniques?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by HazardHai, Nov 15, 2012.

  1. HazardHai

    HazardHai Newbie

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    Does anyone know of any company who has been caught by Google using blackhat techniques on their client's website? All i'm after is an article/news report of anything in relation to this. I've found some articles saying it's on the increase but i cant seem to find any reported. I know a lot of SEO companies do but keep it hidden. I'm just after those companies who have been found to be unethical.

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  2. RankGeek

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    Another research, mate? ;)
     
  3. Danny1111

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    this is BHW -- not dob in an Seo Company World

    taking a guess 80% of Seo could be classified as not playing by the rules anyway.
     
  4. gorang

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    I'd say 99% realistically. It's just not economically possible to run an effective SEO campaign through content creation on any low to medium sized business.

    Most of the "white hat" SEO companies are not very effective because they can't charge the price to cover costs and are not very effective because the content generation only works for certain types of websites and it very costly.

    The only real SEO these days IS Blackhat. Blackhat should be renamed to simply "SEO" and the "shtiehat" simply "Content creation linkbaiting"

    Also one reason some companies are "shitehat" is because they actually don't understand the SEO market and would rather get into bed with Google and use Google's own anti-blakchat propaganda to gain clients.

    The only proper SEO companies ARE Blackhat, they get results, they understand SEO like no other and they will give you value for money.
     
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  5. chris1025

    chris1025 Regular Member

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    nicely said gorang, SEO is BLACKHAT because you want LINKS for your own site for your own good.
     
  6. Smeems

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    Did JCPenny hire someone to do their shit storm?

    The funniest I remember though was iAcquire - meant to be this darling white-hat company recently fronted by a oh-so-novel black man who rapped at SEO conferences. Then BLAMMO: deindexed: http://searchengineland.com/iacquire-banned-from-google-after-link-buying-allegations-122414

    Cue said Michael King whining and moaning like a little bitch.

    Reality of it though, as others have said, is that nearly every company employs blackhat tactics in someway. The Steak Group did SEO for comparethemarket.com - that price comparison website with meerkats. If you've got the time, look at all the yummy blackhat links in their link profile (and incidentally, where they are ranking now).

    I'd actually be more interested in seeing big, loudmouth SEO companies who don't actually coerce us all, stay strictly whitehat and improve the rankings of a number of websites. I think they're few and far between.
     
  7. HazardHai

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    I know most SEO firms adopt unethical techniques due to the sheer competitiveness in the online market and I understand this isn't 'dob in an SEO company world'. However posting an article that already exists on the net and already discredits the company is not really asking anyone to 'dob in an SEO company'; more 'point your finger and laugh at the SEO firm'. I've found some anyway. I just like to filter out what I can.
     
  8. WrightWilliams

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    99% of major companies employ blackhat techniques.
    I would go so far as to say that 99% of major market mainstream non-seo companies employ SEO companies who at least use a little Negative SEO in their marketing.
     
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    Was buying links about a year ago and got outed - they blamed the SEO COMPANY THAT THEY HIRED

    Google it
     
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    Lol! I have heard BMW been banned before as well for same thing.
     
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    Loads of them
     
  12. Getwhatchuwant

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    You MIGHT be right but I can tell you that I worked for a company that did not do anything you would consider automatic. 75% of our linkbuilding was via guest posts, and the rest was press release and occasional GOOD blog comments (manually done and related to the page) and a handful of web 2.0's for branding.

    The sites all rank and even though it might cost more than BH methods our dept still had the hihgest ROI of any other department (PPC and Media Buying) in fact I helped get a member from BHW a job there when I left, I will see if their link building practices have changed but many of the KW's we target were worth $20+ per click on Google.

    The budget for one brand in PPC exceeded $50k p/month.... We did not do BH tactics b/c these are MAJOR Universities that do not want their reputations tarnished.
     
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  13. TheLinkGuy

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    What I find funny is Whitehat SEO services that think they are effective because they are sucking Rand Fishkins dick.

    A buddy of mine just got a job at a popular Whitehat SEO company. They charge their clients $15k a month for 20 Web 2.0 articles (content created by textbroker) and 2 infographics a year. Oh, and a few PR submissions.

    Yep, whitehat. A good way to throw your budget down the pisser.
     
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  14. Getwhatchuwant

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    Thats because the client is stupid or your buddy is a hell of a salesman. 20 web 2 posts per month certainly will not provide the ROI they are seeking and that is what marketing is about. At the end of the year I would be utterly shocked if he kept these clients. At those rates he could spend $8 per hour to have some admin assistant reach out ot High PR blogs that have traffic in related niches and then still buy articles and post them on those. Not only would the clients rankings improve but they stand a chance of gaining traffic from the articles on these sites.

    Like I mentioned in the post above yours, IF you have the budget you can rank with all manual white hat(ish) work. There was me, who did all the on page worka nd created topics based on kw's, I had an assistant "link builder" who did guest post outreach full time, I also did out reach about 35 hours per week. We had a full staff of writers and editors to boot.

    When you are talking schools that represent the Big East, Big 10 and SEC you really cannot afford to be BH.....

    In any event these sites withstood any and all updates and still rank for competitive and high cost keywords...
     
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    I guess there are a lot of company's out there that just focus on on site content and branding in order to rank well and develop a strong internet presence for their clients, but those companies that specifically state "we will make you money by improving your rankings on Google," obviously are the ones who are using black hat techniques.
     
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    I think it all essentially is categorized as blackhat. In the end you're manipulating Google to rank your site, when it may or may not deserve this.... and then they release updates to weed you out. As for black hat techniques, they are a little more blatant.
     
  18. TheLinkGuy

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    The company he works for is Inc's top 100 fastest growing companies with projections of 20 million by the end of the year.

    You are correct, the work they do could be outsourced for $100-$200/mo. But enterprise level companies love the fact that his company will have 500 meetings a month if they need it.

    Sadly this isn't atypical of the whitehat industry norm.
     
  19. Hapshepsut

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    Isn't all SEO blackhat anyhow? you're basically manipulating the search engines...as opposed things naturally happening with your site