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Seo becoming even more weird

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Jason_parker700, Dec 4, 2010.

  1. Jason_parker700

    Jason_parker700 Regular Member

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    I got 82 links indexed on webmaster tools. Yahoo showing 74. I even have the keywords stuffed on my page. I have about 5-6 article links from relevant articles. For some freakin reason i just can't get on the first page. The guy on the first position, first page has only 35 links pointing to his page. This guy has posted an article on slideshare. All his links are relevant offcourse, but i just have much more links than him!

    Do I need to write several more relevant articles to get on page 1?
     
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    Three posiblities

    1- Anchor tag

    2- Hide backlinks

    3- Showing wrong backlinks results

    Or u may wait for while and see..
     
  3. Jason_parker700

    Jason_parker700 Regular Member

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    Been patiently waiting for about 20+ days now.
     
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    dont keyword stuff. this 2010 and gooble aint stupid
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  5. Satyren

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    Build more backlinks.

    Have you used anchor text on all your current backlinks?
     
  6. Yukinari84

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    SEO has not gotten "weird" at all, let alone more weird.
    The core concepts and strategies that have worked for a long time still do.

    1. Keyword stuffing worked for while a few years ago. You may want to update your strategy...

    2. Links from relevant sites still pull more weight in rankings. Links from irrelevant places do have their place, but relevancy is something Google still gives favor to.

    3. Take a closer look at your competition. There are a whole bunch of factors that can play a part in him outranking you. For example, the domain, the domain age, the content of his site...the best thing you can do is analyze his game plan closer, look for weak spots to exploit, and just keep working at it.
     
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    Didn't you already have a thread just like this?
    Plus, there is nothing weird here... my competitor has 100 links and is outranking at least 20 sites with 1000+ links... There is more to SEO than just links!
     
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    If you want to send me the link to your site and the key term that you are trying to rank on the first page for I will let you know what you need to do to get there. Most of the time its a few small edits and your good to go.
     
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    Title tags, domain name (it's good news if domain name is keyword and also a dot com) and also the age of the domain is important too but I don't know how you would measure its relevancy!
     
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    It has had some drastic changes but the thing is still as it has always been all along, which is you have to constantly work at it. That is the reason most ' guru ' personalities don't use SEO/keyword traffic at all outside of their ppc promotions with adwords.

    Tweak and test, man...tweak and test.
     
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    keyword relevancy is based on overall page content in the search engines. the title, the headlines, the tags, the images, the products/services, even the adsense ads and links you attach to it...all of it is about one thing - how the content on the page connects to the topic/topics of the keyword and does it display real consumer ' information ' that people can walk away with something that is going to answer the need of what they are searching for.

    Natural search isn't just about making google happy, as google is about the ' information that resolved the searcher's reason for being there and searching for that term in the first place.

    IF you don't answer it, your site will not maintain any level of rank for long, without a ton of continued backlink structure, etc...which has recently changed in value of rank maint. as well, under the same reason above. They still hold credit but not as much as they used to...it is about being an authority site, full of information across the board now...not just having a few links every day.
     
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    PM me your site and keywords you're trying to rank, and I'll do my best to look at it and help you out by suggesting some changes(when necessary) or give you ideas, although I'm very busy too, doing this because I'd love to help the community out...

    P.S. Not trying to steal your niche, just help you out:)
     
  13. Jason_parker700

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    Loads of people say that it's important to have keyword in the domain name, but like i said before, the guy on the top is ranking by using slideshare. He has about 35 relevant high powered links and i only have like 6 relevant links. This could be the reason.

    I am planning on writing 20 articles today. Let's see if that gets me ranked!
     
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    I don't know what your KWs and niche are (I'm not asking for them), so I can't say anything 100%, but what I can say is this:

    If the #1 person is beating everyone else out with a Slideshare with 35 links, than you should take a closer look at your overall strategy and find out what's going wrong because that doesn't sound like much competition at all.

    It's possible Google has seen your site as maybe to "spammy" meaning there's not enough content and/or too much ads on there.

    If you have a good KW domain, good content, and good internal SEO and structure on your site, you should be able to beat everyone out eventually if you keep working at it.

    Try focusing on other sources of backlinks and traffic instead of just articles. There's video, PRs, Pad Files, Doc sharing sites(since the #1 spot is a doc sharing site, that should give you a great starting point and a clue instantly), web 2.0, images, blog comments...the list goes on.
     
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    It Happens, But you will be Spotted on the eyes of Google!
     
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    What does that even mean??:confused:
     
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    what % keyword density do you think google considers keyword stuffing?
     
  18. Jason_parker700

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    the term that i am trying to optimize apears 6 times. So the keyword density is about 2-3% .
     
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    As people already said in your other thread, you're being way too impatient. 20 days is nothing when it comes to rankinga. Your competitors may have been online for a lot longer than you (domain age is a big factor in the rankings) so you really need to be more patient and just keep working slowly. You're not going to be ranking for decent keywords in 10 days, you need to gain some trust and authority in your niche and THEN you'll get your rankings and start making money from them.

    All in all, stop making these pointless threads and get taking action - SEO isn't turning weird, you're just doing it wrong. Now keep making new content and building links and you'll get there in the end.
     
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    I would be keen to have you do this for my site as well. I know I'm a web developer and designer etc etc but as I've said on here a few times I'm still learning the copious amount of tricks involved with S.E.O.

    My site...

    Ranks 8th of 122 Million for "web developers"
    Code:
    http://www.google.co.nz/#hl=en&source=hp&biw=1280&bih=504&q=web+developers&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=9d67725c55bce40a
    Ranks 3rd out of 2,440,000 for "web development dunedin"
    Code:
    http://www.google.co.nz/#hl=en&expIds=17259,27788,27818,27868&xhr=t&q=web+development+dunedin&cp=18&pf=p&sclient=psy&biw=1280&bih=504&aq=0&aqi=&aql=&oq=web+development+du&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=1&cad=b
    I also rank reasonably well for "web design dunedin", "web developers dunedin". What would it take to rank my site highly in Google for the terms "web design", "web development" and "web designers"? I know those terms are incredibly competitive, just am wondering what it would take to rank high enough for these terms to get noticed...

    My site is in my sig, well not quite. I wasn't sure about linking my site to a BH related site (BHW is a super awesome forum and I love being on here, I just think search engines might not take too kindly to sites linking from BH themed sites), so I used T!nyurl.com to redirect the link. To give the readers some confidence, I have utilised T!nyurl.com's "preview" feature, as you can most likely tell by looking at the url. If you could do this for my site as well as the O.P's site, pm your feedback to me.