SeNukeXCr(NEW) Vs Ubot Vs Zennoposter..

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Well I don't know if you've heard the news but SeNuke is about to launch its new version SeNukeXCr which as you may have guessed has added a 'custom script' part to the software..

This means you can do program any sites to be used with SeNuke in a similar fashion (I'm assuming) to Ubot and Zennoposter..

These are very interesting times as we see more and more of these 'DIY' programming tools..

To be honest I'm not too happy about it..

I use ubot and I know others do too but SeNukeX has always appealed to the masses - the people who (IMHO) are probably too lazy or busy to bother with programs like ubot and Zennoposter..

My main worry is that the masses are going to start jumping aboard this 'DIY' train and once that happens all these sites will catch on..

Even now it's getting harder to program for many Web2.0 sites as more and more people are using these tools..

I really dread to think what will happen if everyone gets on board with this. All I can hope for is that the software is a piece of shit or it's complicated or time consuming enough to keep the majority out..

Your thoughts?
 
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Ghoast said:
Well I don't know if you've heard the news but SeNuke is about to launch its new version SeNukeXCr which as you may have guessed has added a 'custom script' part to the software..

This means you can do program any sites to be used with SeNuke in a similar fashion (I'm assuming) to Ubot and Zennoposter..

These are very interesting times as we see more and more of these 'DIY' programming tools..

To be honest I'm not too happy about it..

I use ubot and I know others do too but SeNukeX has always appealed to the masses - the people who (IMHO) are probably too lazy or busy to bother with programs like ubot and Zennoposter..

My main worry is that the masses are going to start jumping aboard this 'DIY' train and once that happens all these sites will catch on..

Even now it's getting harder to program for many Web2.0 sites as more and more people are using these tools..

I really dread to think what will happen if everyone gets on board with this. All I can hope for is that the software is a piece of shit or it's complicated or time consuming enough to keep the majority out..

Your thoughts?
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As SEnuke describes it, it is a "click click" interface... this will work for about 5 sites and fail for about 95% of sites.
Truly, I don't see a lot of people with 200-300 web 2.0s (or free hosts) automated in ZP or ubot either... nor do I see people with drupal bots that can work around 99.5% (or more) of registrations for comments out there.
How do I know? Because almost always there's fewer than 5 total spam comments on these pages when my bot finds them.... and when I look at sites, they seem to be posting to crappy places that SEnuke has automated and are nofollow (livejournal etc).
Not seeing a lot of people spamming moonfruit!

The sad part is that it's getting more and more difficult to make any links that have value without spending money...
 
Well... you won't like the software that I'm working on then... I suspect it's going to destroy a big part of the world of custom web 2.0 scripting, but hey we'll see..
 
Expertpeon said:
As SEnuke describes it, it is a "click click" interface... this will work for about 5 sites and fail for about 95% of sites.
Truly, I don't see a lot of people with 200-300 web 2.0s (or free hosts) automated in ZP or ubot either... nor do I see people with drupal bots that can work around 99.5% (or more) of registrations for comments out there.
How do I know? Because almost always there's fewer than 5 total spam comments on these pages when my bot finds them.... and when I look at sites, they seem to be posting to crappy places that SEnuke has automated and are nofollow (livejournal etc).
Not seeing a lot of people spamming moonfruit!

The sad part is that it's getting more and more difficult to make any links that have value without spending money...
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MM, this is true.. I have bots which can post to moonfruit and all those 'web builder' type sites - it takes much longer to program for them but it's definitely worth it because as you say - people aren't posting there.. It is sad but hey I guess it's all heading towards quality quality quality because at the end of the day if anyone can post to these sites then Gs going to have to start looking more at quality - which it is already..

Still I guess the positive aspect is that you still need to fully understand linking structures if you want these properties to give you the link juice at the end of the day - this new software isn't like an 'end all solution' - but it still is going to make programming a pain for the rest of us if these sites get really 'bot-proof' which some have at the moment - think sites constantly changing and randomising their code..
 
That senukexcr or whatever will probably be worse than the magic submitter at programing (lol) scripts for sites so I wouldn't be too worried about it.

"click click" interface lol lol lol +1
 
i think its a good idea, trying to take away their competitions competitive advantage
 
Ghoast said:
MM, this is true.. I have bots which can post to moonfruit and all those 'web builder' type sites - it takes much longer to program for them but it's definitely worth it because as you say - people aren't posting there.. It is sad but hey I guess it's all heading towards quality quality quality because at the end of the day if anyone can post to these sites then Gs going to have to start looking more at quality - which it is already..

Still I guess the positive aspect is that you still need to fully understand linking structures if you want these properties to give you the link juice at the end of the day - this new software isn't like an 'end all solution' - but it still is going to make programming a pain for the rest of us if these sites get really 'bot-proof' which some have at the moment - think sites constantly changing and randomising their code..
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This would have been a problem a year ago, when there were tons of web 2.0s and tons of them were just "click" html codes.
Now, however, almost all of the high PR major ones are drag and drop only... or they have some kind of parsing requirement that SEnuke will be unable to deal with.

Don't worry about it right now... It'll fail like SEnuke always does. I don't do a lot of the C# coding options in ZP right now, though it's something I'll move into if I need it for things in the future. Senuke at best will be magic submitter, and at worst, will be horribly time consuming and impossible to use. Most buttons, for instance, are cloaked in javascripts now.

You start getting into more than one conditionality and it'll fall apart... SEnuke is and will remain worthless.
The coolest thing is the document sharing part, however, you can do this in ZP even better as is, and ZP 4 is already out.

No "tool" is ever going to replace designing of custom bots to do tasks... simple as that.
 
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Expertpeon said:
This would have been a problem a year ago, when there were tons of web 2.0s and tons of them were just "click" html codes.
Now, however, almost all of the high PR major ones are drag and drop only... or they have some kind of parsing requirement that SEnuke will be unable to deal with.

Don't worry about it right now... It'll fail like SEnuke always does. I don't do a lot of the C# coding options in ZP right now, though it's something I'll move into if I need it for things in the future. Senuke at best will be magic submitter, and at worst, will be horribly time consuming and impossible to use. Most buttons, for instance, are cloaked in javascripts now.

You start getting into more than one conditionality and it'll fall apart... SEnuke is and will remain worthless.
The coolest thing is the document sharing part, however, you can do this in ZP even better as is, and ZP 4 is already out.

No "tool" is ever going to replace designing of custom bots to do tasks... simple as that.
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Could you give me an example of cloaked buttons or 'drag/drop'?
 
forwardedlandlines said:
Could you give me an example of cloaked buttons or 'drag/drop'?
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I assume you never post on web 2.0s or something... however Weebly is drag and drop. I'd say at least 70% of web 2.0s require some creative parsing/coding to work efficiently (or at all)
 
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hey, new to zennoposter. I'm very interested if senuke is limited in it's ability to post in a diverse manner.

Just watching some videos on it now, but I'm wondering if there's templates that people share? Or that you can buy?
Yes, I'm lazy. And that's the point of a bot... lol.

I'm more then willing to learn the functionality, but I'm working on recovering from penguin, so I need a 'quick fix' and the faster I can get into zennoposter, seems like the more authority I can put into my site.

And yes, before anyone says it. I'm already working with other tools, diversifying links, generating unique high quality content. blah blah blah, all the things that are necessary for penguin. So don't assume I think that zenno poster will fix all for me.

But any information is appreciated. I'll use the search function in a minute, thought I'd post first.

Thanks.
 
I own the latest Zenno and damn it's much more difficult than version 3 was.
 
I believe Ubot and Zenno will make some more interesting features caused by senuke update. I think it will be our benefits since we'll get better software ;)
 
Expertpeon said:
I assume you never post on web 2.0s or something... however Weebly is drag and drop. I'd say at least 70% of web 2.0s require some creative parsing/coding to work efficiently (or at all)
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Indeed. I used to interest myself in link pyramids, web 2.0 outsourcing and whatnot until I got too prepossessed by programming blackhat tools. Now I intend to make the best web 2.0 poster there can be, and I suppose I'll have to simulate clickdragging behavior and what not. But everything is simulateable. And sure it's possible in Javascript to find some shortcuts (or with straight webrequests), but for a site like Weebly it seems incredibly time consuming to find that way.
 
i bet you $10 they will bring out a two version choice like for example if anyone remembers that venomseo &
venomseopro < junk
so yeah i assume it will be senuke acr or xcr or whatever and then a standard version which everyone uses right now aswell.

aah whatever yeah im not too worried about this anyways.
 
Ubot Standard is useless the shitty browsers doesn't work with the javascript buttons and forms.
The GUI is good if you do simple things but on web 2 site it gets fucked by javascriot and flash.

Zennoposter 3.6 is works on some web 2 sites it can click on the javascript forms and buttons, unless it freezes. I have tried to use it but the the interface is very stupid. Those rusians did a bad job on that interface.
There aren't many tutorials with all the functions and all the shit you have to do co to project maker then to editor is stupid.

If Ubot would implement the firefox browser like zenoposter it would be awesome. But no, those lazy programers won't do it.

Ubot is useless
Zennoposter you can't use it stupid interface.


I use macros they are slow as fuck but they work.

Get Sikuli is free it has the best image recognition and you write the code in python, and many people use it
 
Expertpeon said:
drupal bots that can work around 99.5% (or more) of registrations for comments out there.
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Captcha at registration and then captcha at posting and the Mollom banning?
How do you get around Mollom?
 
ADHD-Dude said:
Captcha at registration and then captcha at posting and the Mollom banning?
How do you get around Mollom?
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1) Most sites that don't have PR don't use Mollom
2) I've never had a problem because the comments simply aren't marked as spam due to high levels of highly readable spin.

All and all I use my bots to assist in manual commenting not to do it themselves... the results are much better, as the tools simply register on all the sites, filter them by OBLs on a page and spit out the accts (which are all the same per run)

Makes them prime for manual comments.

The actual registrations vary CONSIDERABLY in difficulties though, so no shitty tool like SEnuke ever has a hope of doing much worthwhile.

I would advise creating a ******** checker for any blog types though that generally have ******** comments.
It's fairly simple to create a rudimentary one.
 
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senukexcr its not around yet soo ill go for zennoposter
 
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