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Selling Water Pipes Online - Legal or Not?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by shad0we, Dec 12, 2011.

  1. shad0we

    shad0we Newbie

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    Is anyone in the BHW forum selling water pipes online? Some people say it's legal, some say it's illegal. I really want to get to the truth as I want to get into selling online.

    What merchant are you guys using?

    I'm just very confused because I keep hearing it's illegal but then i hear it's not. and to top it off if I got to Google right now I'll get a dozen websites selling online

    So idk what the deal is?


    *NOTE: I LIVE IN THE U.S*
     
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    It is legally a grey area, depending on what states you ship into. You cannot ship in to all states. Some legal interpretations indicate that any interstate shipment is illegal, some don't interpret the law in this way.

    It's up in the air. If the Feds want you done, you're done.
     
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    call the city and ask ))
    actually never thought selling pipes could be illegal, but wth do i know
     
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    search for the states that are Ok and list on your site where you ship to, just to cover yourself, out of US I would imagine its ok
     
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    Yes, from what I've looked up in the past (I also thought about this niche and have a website just sitting there waiting) it is legal.

    However, there are certain places you do not want to ship to.. Such as Pennsylvania and I believe Iowa (or Ohio or Idaho, don't remember). Places like these will nab you for interstate shipment.

    Look up the story about https://www.google.com/search?q=operation+pipe+dreams, that's what happened to him. His son was selling pipes and then they started getting requests from places like Penn & Iowa. They refused the requests as it was company policy. The requests were actually being placed by feds posing as head shop owners. Finally the feds came in person, placed HUGE orders and never paid. Then he agreed to ship them to Penn/Iowa to get it out of his stock.

    Once he gave in and shipped them out, bam, they got him. Shady as fuck. Plus, it was the local agencies in those areas that conducted the operations (it wasn't the DEA, FBI or anything.

    Anyways, here's what they got him for:
    http://trac.syr.edu/laws/21/21USC00863.html

    Code:
    It is unlawful for any person -
            (1) to sell or offer for sale drug paraphernalia;
            (2) to use the mails or any other facility of interstate
          commerce to transport drug paraphernalia; or
            (3) to import or export drug paraphernalia.
    Code:
    (d) "Drug paraphernalia" defined
          The term "drug paraphernalia" means any equipment, product, or
        material of any kind which is primarily intended or designed for
        use in manufacturing, compounding, converting, concealing,
        producing, processing, preparing, injecting, ingesting, inhaling,
        or otherwise introducing into the human body a controlled
        substance, possession of which is unlawful under this subchapter.
        It includes items primarily intended or designed for use in
        ingesting, inhaling, or otherwise introducing marijuana,(!1)
        cocaine, hashish, hashish oil, PCP, methamphetamine, or
        amphetamines into the human body, such as -
            (1) metal, wooden, acrylic, glass, stone, plastic, or ceramic
          pipes with or without screens, permanent screens, hashish heads,
          or punctured metal bowls;
            (2) water pipes;
            (3) carburetion tubes and devices;
            (4) smoking and carburetion masks;
            (5) roach clips: meaning objects used to hold burning material,
          such as a marihuana cigarette, that has become too small or too
          short to be held in the hand;
            (6) miniature spoons with level capacities of one-tenth cubic
          centimeter or less;
            (7) chamber pipes;
            (8) carburetor pipes;
            (9) electric pipes;
            (10) air-driven pipes;
            (11) chillums;
            (12) bongs;
            (13) ice pipes or chillers;
            (14) wired cigarette papers; or
            (15) cocaine freebase kits.
    Now, that said, it's extremely important you take normal head shop precautions. If you've never been to one... First of all, it's not a pipe, it's a spoon; tobacco pipe; a sherlock; etc. It's never a bong, you don't sell bongs. You sell water pipes. If you call it a bong inside a head shop, they'll kick you out.

    Why? Because they'll get arrested for selling bongs too. (You cannot call something a bong, if they sell it to you, poof it's a bong. Water pipes are legal, mostly. Bongs aren't.)

    Keep all that in mind, plus try to keep your name away from it.

    My website is private registration. The credit card is prepaid nFinanse debit card from Kum N Go. My PayPal is linked and verified to the prepaid debit card. The phone is Boost Mobile. Everything is registered to Randy Marsh (Stan's dad from South Park.)
     
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    Blah, just like they said. Do NOT ship to Penn or Iowa.

    Look these states up, man.. I'm not even sure there are head shops in these states.
     
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    Risk vs Reward. Seriously why invest time and money into a grey market that might come back to bite you in the ass? So many ways to make money without the risk.

    Good luck.
     
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    awesome information!

    One more question.. I found a wholesaler but they require a business license. To get wholesale prices..

    Do you also have a fake business license? How do you go about being under the radar so they cant link anything back to you?
     
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    kvmcable - that's exactly why i'm debating if i should just stop. But the only thing that has me wanting to do this is the fact that i found a particular product awhile ago. I tested out my idea and found it to be high in demand and there is absolutely no competition. I have a site up and it is generating me many many leads(autopilot). day in day out

    If i manage to get wholesale , I'll be making $50 /per sale.

    Easily can make $6,000/Month MINIMUM with little work.

    That's the only thing holding me on to this niche.

    I really wanna find out if my best bet would be to just forget it
     
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    You can do all that stuff but if it's the law looking for you then all they do is follow the money. How are you going to get paid? In the USA it's difficult and a crime to use false documents to open Bank accounts. If the money funnels to you then they'll find you regardless of what you do with fake documents. Online money is easy to trace. If you're really good with fake docs and IDs and the law finds you; you'll probably be labeled a terrorist or at the very least charged with identity theft.

    Take some good advice - find something else.
     
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    Yeah, you definitely don't want to go forging documents and submitting false identity information for legit business purposes.

    Isn't that niche tempting, though? Who's the competition? Grasscity and Everyonedoesit? Both of which are European with no guaranteed shipping (if you don't get your package, tough shit), long shipping times, bad/no customer service and high prices.

    It would be a snap to dominate that entire topic, it comes up frequently on BHW.. And yet, it's completely empty.
     
  13. shad0we

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    Yeah, I def don't want to forge any documents. I don't want to get in trouble with the law. There is actually NO competition. 0 competition. Grasscity and Everyonedoesit don't offer the product I want to sell.

    It is a unique water pipe with a unique design. I have a guy in cali who is a custom glass blower. I got in contact with him because he is the only one i know who sells them ONLINE.

    I saw so much potential i couldnt resist but hit him up, I promoted it and sure enough. LOTS of potential.

    So that made me decide to want to get a wholesaler and make more money because i'm only making a small cut with the custom glass blower.

    He is the one that ships them and everything. The only problem with this is that it's not reliable.

    I'm starting to receive many leads and i can foresee i'm going to have complications so i'm at the point that i either wanna completely drop it or completely just make money with it.

    but from everyones advise, the best thing would be to drop the project.

    Thanks a lot guys!


    Do you think I could possibly sell the site and idea to someone who is willing to take the risk or is already in this business?